I am doing research on the Internet regarding this couple.
Of all of the websites I have checked, a couple of sites show that
Edmund and Phillipa had a daughter named Agnes, born circa 1372
at Reading, Berkshire England.
She was supposedly born between her older sister Elizabeth
(born 1370/1371), and her younger brother Roger, 4th Earl of March
(born 11 April 1374).
Most of the websites (including references to Burke's Peerage), do not
list this Agnes.
I do find on many websites, a reference to an Agnes Mortimer,
daughter of Roger de Mortimer,1st Earl of March, and Joan de Geneville.
Can anybody shed some light on the Agnes born in 1372, or is this
person the result of someone's fertile imagination?
Thanks,
Ken
Did Edmund Mortimer and Phillipa Plantagenet have a daughter
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Did Edmund Mortimer and Phillipa Plantagenet have a daug
Dear Ken ~
Sir Edmund de Mortimer, 3rd Earl of March, died 1381, and his wife,
Philippe of Clarence, had four children in all, none of them named
Agnes. For interest's sake, I've copied below a detailed account of
Edmund and Philippe.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry. net
+ + + + + + + + +
Source: Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry (2005).
9. EDMUND DE MORTIMER, Knt., 3rd Earl of March, Lord Mortimer of
Wigmore, Marshal of England, King's Lieutenant in Ireland, joint
Ambassador to France, and, in right of his wife, lord of Ulster and
Connaught, Ireland, and Clare, Suffolk, son and heir, born at Llangoed
(in Llyswen), Breconshire, Wales 1 Feb. 1351/2. He married at Reading,
Berkshire about May 1368 PHILIPPE OF CLARENCE, suo jure Countess of
Ulster, daughter and heiress of Lionel of Antwerp, K.G., Duke of
Clarence, 4th Earl of Ulster (son of King Edward III), by Elizabeth,
daughter and heiress of William de Burgh, Knt., 3rd Earl of Ulster [see
BURGH 8 for her ancestry]. She was born at Eltham Palace, Kent 16
August 1355, and was heiress in 1363 to her mother, by which she
inherited the lordships of Ulster and Connaught in Ireland, as well as
the lordship of Clare in Suffolk. They had two sons, Roger, Knt. [4th
Earl of March], and Edmund, Knt., and two daughters, Elizabeth (wife of
Henry 'Hotspur' Percy, Knt., K.B., K.G.) and Philippe (wife
successively of John de Hastings, Knt., Earl of Pembroke, Richard de
Arundel, K.G., Earl of Arundel and Surrey, and Thomas Poynings, Knt.,
5th Lord St. John of Basing). He was closely associated with the
King's sons, especially Edward the Black Prince. He was summoned to
Parliament 8 Jan. 1370/1 as Earl of March. In 1373 he was chief
guardian of the truce with Scotland. In the domestic politics of the
time, Mortimer was on the side of the Prince of Wales and the clergy
against John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster, and the Barons. In 1375 he
served in an expedition to Brittany, where he captured the castle of
Saint-Mathieu. The same year the king granted him and his wife a
weekly market and two yearly fairs at Bewdley, Worcestershire. With
the accession of King Richard II in 1377, power remained with
Lancaster, but the next rightful heir was Mortimer's own son.
PHILIPPE OF CLARENCE died on or before 7 Jan. 1377/8, and was buried at
Wigmore Abbey, Herefordshire. SIR EDMUND DE MORTIMER, Earl of March
and Ulster, having caught cold in crossing a river in winter time in
Munster, died in the Dominican friary at Cork 27 Dec. 1381 (P.C.C. 188
Courtenay). He was initially buried at Cork, but afterwards his body
was taken to Wigmore Abbey. He left a will dated 1 May 1380, proved 22
Jan. 1382 (P.C.C. 188 Courtenay).
References:
Sandford, Gen. Hist. of the Kings of England (1677): 221-223. Rymer,
Fœdera 6 (1727): 435 ([Philippe], Countess of March, styled
"kinswoman" by King Edward III of England); 7 (1728): 236 (Edmund
styled "kinsman" by King Richard II of England). Nichols, Coll. of
All the Wills (1780): 104-117. Blore, Hist. & Antiqs. of Rutland
1(2) (1811): 37 (Kent/Holand pedigree), 42 (Mortimer pedigree).
Nicolas, Testamenta Vetusta 1 (1826): 101, 110-113. Dugdale,
Monasticon Anglicanum 6(3) (1830): 1600-1602. Burke, Dormant,
Abeyant, Forfeited & Extinct Peerages (1883): 382-385 (sub Mortimer).
Birch, Cat. of Seals in the British Museum 3 (1894): 282 (seal of
Edmund de Mortimer, 3rd Earl of March dated 1372-A shield of arms:
MORTIMER. Suspended by a strap from a rose tree growing on a mount.
Between two helmets, each bearing a crest, out of a ducal coronet, a
plume of feathers. Beaded borders). Genealogist n.s. 15 (1898):
30-31. D.N.B. 13 (1909): 1016-1018 (biog. of Edmund de Mortimer).
C.P. 1 (1910): 244-245 (sub Arundel); 3 (1913): 245 (sub Clare); 8
(1932): 445-448 (sub March); 9 (1936): 713-714 (sub
Northumberland); 10 (1945): 394-397 (sub Pembroke); 12(2) (1959): 180
(sub Ulster); 14 (1998): 466 (states wife Philippe died on or before 7
Jan. 1377/8, citing Lane, Royal Daughters of England 1 (1910): 233).
Ruvigny and Raineval, Plantagenet Roll: Mortimer-Percy 1 (1911): vi,
1-2. VCH Hampshire 4 (1911): 426-427. VCH Worcester 3 (1913):
458. C.P.R. 1370-1374 (1914): 426 (instance of Philippe styled
"king's daughter' [i.e., granddaughter]). Somerset & Dorset N&Q
14 (1915): 45-46. C.P.R. 1374-1377 (1916): 33, 41-45 (instances
of Edmund styled "king's son" [i.e., grandson-in-law]). C.Ch.R.
5 (1920): 229 (Edmund styled "king's son"). Harvey et al., Vis.
of the North 3 (Surtees Soc. 144) (1930): 2-5 ("Edmundus Mortimer
comes Marchie = Philippa filia et heres ducis Clarencie"). Hatton,
Book of Seals (1950): 164-165. Holmes, Estates of the Higher
Nobility in 14th Cent. England (1957): 10-19, 35-38, 60-62.
Smith, Itinerary of John Leland 4 (1964): 150-163. Chancery Misc. 3
(List & Index Soc. 26) (1967): 139-140. Rees, Cal. of Ancient
Petitions Rel. Wales (Board of Celtic Studies, Hist. & Law 28) (1975):
360-361. Paget, Lineage & Anc. of Prince Charles 1 (1977): 21.
Ellis, Cat. of Seals in the P.R.O. 1 (1978): 46 (seal of Edmund de
Mortimer, Earl of March dated 1378-9-Hung from a rose-bush growing
from a mount below, a shield of arms: three bars, and an escutcheon, on
a chief two pallets between two gyrons [MORTIMER]. On either side is a
lion couchant, facing inwards, wearing a helmet with crest: out of a
coronet, a tall plume of feathers. Legend lost). Coat of Arms n.s. 5
(1983): 148-152. Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln 2 (1984): 84
(sub England). Moody et al., New Hist. of Ireland 9 (1984): 170
(chart).
Ken wrote:
< I am doing research on the Internet regarding this couple.
< Of all of the websites I have checked, a couple of sites show that
< Edmund and Phillipa had a daughter named Agnes, born circa 1372
< at Reading, Berkshire England.
< She was supposedly born between her older sister Elizabeth
< (born 1370/1371), and her younger brother Roger, 4th Earl of March
< (born 11 April 1374).
< Most of the websites (including references to Burke's Peerage), do
not
< list this Agnes.
< I do find on many websites, a reference to an Agnes Mortimer,
< daughter of Roger de Mortimer,1st Earl of March, and Joan de
Geneville.
<
< Can anybody shed some light on the Agnes born in 1372, or is this
< person the result of someone's fertile imagination?
< Thanks,
< Ken
Sir Edmund de Mortimer, 3rd Earl of March, died 1381, and his wife,
Philippe of Clarence, had four children in all, none of them named
Agnes. For interest's sake, I've copied below a detailed account of
Edmund and Philippe.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry. net
+ + + + + + + + +
Source: Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry (2005).
9. EDMUND DE MORTIMER, Knt., 3rd Earl of March, Lord Mortimer of
Wigmore, Marshal of England, King's Lieutenant in Ireland, joint
Ambassador to France, and, in right of his wife, lord of Ulster and
Connaught, Ireland, and Clare, Suffolk, son and heir, born at Llangoed
(in Llyswen), Breconshire, Wales 1 Feb. 1351/2. He married at Reading,
Berkshire about May 1368 PHILIPPE OF CLARENCE, suo jure Countess of
Ulster, daughter and heiress of Lionel of Antwerp, K.G., Duke of
Clarence, 4th Earl of Ulster (son of King Edward III), by Elizabeth,
daughter and heiress of William de Burgh, Knt., 3rd Earl of Ulster [see
BURGH 8 for her ancestry]. She was born at Eltham Palace, Kent 16
August 1355, and was heiress in 1363 to her mother, by which she
inherited the lordships of Ulster and Connaught in Ireland, as well as
the lordship of Clare in Suffolk. They had two sons, Roger, Knt. [4th
Earl of March], and Edmund, Knt., and two daughters, Elizabeth (wife of
Henry 'Hotspur' Percy, Knt., K.B., K.G.) and Philippe (wife
successively of John de Hastings, Knt., Earl of Pembroke, Richard de
Arundel, K.G., Earl of Arundel and Surrey, and Thomas Poynings, Knt.,
5th Lord St. John of Basing). He was closely associated with the
King's sons, especially Edward the Black Prince. He was summoned to
Parliament 8 Jan. 1370/1 as Earl of March. In 1373 he was chief
guardian of the truce with Scotland. In the domestic politics of the
time, Mortimer was on the side of the Prince of Wales and the clergy
against John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster, and the Barons. In 1375 he
served in an expedition to Brittany, where he captured the castle of
Saint-Mathieu. The same year the king granted him and his wife a
weekly market and two yearly fairs at Bewdley, Worcestershire. With
the accession of King Richard II in 1377, power remained with
Lancaster, but the next rightful heir was Mortimer's own son.
PHILIPPE OF CLARENCE died on or before 7 Jan. 1377/8, and was buried at
Wigmore Abbey, Herefordshire. SIR EDMUND DE MORTIMER, Earl of March
and Ulster, having caught cold in crossing a river in winter time in
Munster, died in the Dominican friary at Cork 27 Dec. 1381 (P.C.C. 188
Courtenay). He was initially buried at Cork, but afterwards his body
was taken to Wigmore Abbey. He left a will dated 1 May 1380, proved 22
Jan. 1382 (P.C.C. 188 Courtenay).
References:
Sandford, Gen. Hist. of the Kings of England (1677): 221-223. Rymer,
Fœdera 6 (1727): 435 ([Philippe], Countess of March, styled
"kinswoman" by King Edward III of England); 7 (1728): 236 (Edmund
styled "kinsman" by King Richard II of England). Nichols, Coll. of
All the Wills (1780): 104-117. Blore, Hist. & Antiqs. of Rutland
1(2) (1811): 37 (Kent/Holand pedigree), 42 (Mortimer pedigree).
Nicolas, Testamenta Vetusta 1 (1826): 101, 110-113. Dugdale,
Monasticon Anglicanum 6(3) (1830): 1600-1602. Burke, Dormant,
Abeyant, Forfeited & Extinct Peerages (1883): 382-385 (sub Mortimer).
Birch, Cat. of Seals in the British Museum 3 (1894): 282 (seal of
Edmund de Mortimer, 3rd Earl of March dated 1372-A shield of arms:
MORTIMER. Suspended by a strap from a rose tree growing on a mount.
Between two helmets, each bearing a crest, out of a ducal coronet, a
plume of feathers. Beaded borders). Genealogist n.s. 15 (1898):
30-31. D.N.B. 13 (1909): 1016-1018 (biog. of Edmund de Mortimer).
C.P. 1 (1910): 244-245 (sub Arundel); 3 (1913): 245 (sub Clare); 8
(1932): 445-448 (sub March); 9 (1936): 713-714 (sub
Northumberland); 10 (1945): 394-397 (sub Pembroke); 12(2) (1959): 180
(sub Ulster); 14 (1998): 466 (states wife Philippe died on or before 7
Jan. 1377/8, citing Lane, Royal Daughters of England 1 (1910): 233).
Ruvigny and Raineval, Plantagenet Roll: Mortimer-Percy 1 (1911): vi,
1-2. VCH Hampshire 4 (1911): 426-427. VCH Worcester 3 (1913):
458. C.P.R. 1370-1374 (1914): 426 (instance of Philippe styled
"king's daughter' [i.e., granddaughter]). Somerset & Dorset N&Q
14 (1915): 45-46. C.P.R. 1374-1377 (1916): 33, 41-45 (instances
of Edmund styled "king's son" [i.e., grandson-in-law]). C.Ch.R.
5 (1920): 229 (Edmund styled "king's son"). Harvey et al., Vis.
of the North 3 (Surtees Soc. 144) (1930): 2-5 ("Edmundus Mortimer
comes Marchie = Philippa filia et heres ducis Clarencie"). Hatton,
Book of Seals (1950): 164-165. Holmes, Estates of the Higher
Nobility in 14th Cent. England (1957): 10-19, 35-38, 60-62.
Smith, Itinerary of John Leland 4 (1964): 150-163. Chancery Misc. 3
(List & Index Soc. 26) (1967): 139-140. Rees, Cal. of Ancient
Petitions Rel. Wales (Board of Celtic Studies, Hist. & Law 28) (1975):
360-361. Paget, Lineage & Anc. of Prince Charles 1 (1977): 21.
Ellis, Cat. of Seals in the P.R.O. 1 (1978): 46 (seal of Edmund de
Mortimer, Earl of March dated 1378-9-Hung from a rose-bush growing
from a mount below, a shield of arms: three bars, and an escutcheon, on
a chief two pallets between two gyrons [MORTIMER]. On either side is a
lion couchant, facing inwards, wearing a helmet with crest: out of a
coronet, a tall plume of feathers. Legend lost). Coat of Arms n.s. 5
(1983): 148-152. Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln 2 (1984): 84
(sub England). Moody et al., New Hist. of Ireland 9 (1984): 170
(chart).
Ken wrote:
< I am doing research on the Internet regarding this couple.
< Of all of the websites I have checked, a couple of sites show that
< Edmund and Phillipa had a daughter named Agnes, born circa 1372
< at Reading, Berkshire England.
< She was supposedly born between her older sister Elizabeth
< (born 1370/1371), and her younger brother Roger, 4th Earl of March
< (born 11 April 1374).
< Most of the websites (including references to Burke's Peerage), do
not
< list this Agnes.
< I do find on many websites, a reference to an Agnes Mortimer,
< daughter of Roger de Mortimer,1st Earl of March, and Joan de
Geneville.
<
< Can anybody shed some light on the Agnes born in 1372, or is this
< person the result of someone's fertile imagination?
< Thanks,
< Ken