Wroth of London: originally de Wrotham?

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Wroth of London: originally de Wrotham?

Legg inn av Gjest » 21 apr 2006 21:58:22

There has been a recent thread in which Mardi has posited that the
Wroth family of Enfield, politically active in London during the latter
part of the 14th century, may have descended from a family named de
Wrotham.

We know that Alderman John Wroth, fishmonger, Lord Mayor in 1361, was
the son of a John Wroth of London; furthermore, his son John Wroth (dvp
1375) was also a fishmonger, according to Mardi.

The Court of Hustings wills contains an interesting entry:

Will of John de Wrotham, fishmonger, proved 1349: to be buried in St
Dionysis Backchurch; rents in St Mary Wolnoth in Shitebourne Lane;
bequest from his father William de Wrotham and Alice his mother; dated
at London, Wednesday after St Mark, 1349.

Could this be the father of Alderman John (d 1376) who is said to have
been MP for London during the 1330s? Roskell in HoP 1386-1422 Vol IV
sub Wroth suggests that Alderman John's father was the subject of an
IPM - can anyone confirm or shed light on this?

Michael

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Re: Wroth of London: originally de Wrotham?

Legg inn av Gjest » 14 mai 2006 10:33:05

mjcar@btinternet.com schrieb:

There has been a recent thread in which Mardi has posited that the
Wroth family of Enfield, politically active in London during the latter
part of the 14th century, may have descended from a family named de
Wrotham.

Another Wroth snippet.

Bearing in mind the assertion that John Wroth, MP d1375), son of the
Lord Mayor of that name, first married Beatrice St Maur, I came across
the IPM for Thomas Seymour, knight (usually now called Lord St Maur),
who died 1 AUgust 1358. I had been looking for it in the PRO series,
but couldn't find it, so was happy that it caught my eye in the
Thoroton Society's series of Notts IPMs (Vol 1350-1436). It is only an
extract, and apparently an imperfect one, but it sheds some potential
light nevertheless:

C/135/140/4 Thomas de Seymour: Joan (sic; a mis-print or mis-reading of
John?) Worthy (sic) is his next heir, aged 19 years.

This would give an approximate birthdate for John (?Joan) Worthy, child
of Thomas Seymour's sister, viz 1339. This is, at least, not
inconsistent with a potential birthdate for John Wroth (d 1396), the
son of John (d 1375) and his first wife, as the former John's son and
heir was born circa 1366.

MA-R

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Re: Wroth of London: originally de Wrotham?

Legg inn av Gjest » 16 mai 2006 15:26:24

mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
There has been a recent thread in which Mardi has posited that the
Wroth family of Enfield, politically active in London during the latter
part of the 14th century, may have descended from a family named de
Wrotham.

Two further Wrotham snippets:

(1) Inquest of Richard, son of John Wrotham, cornfactor, London, 9
October 1338: he drowned accicentally "in the river at
Tykeneldeswharffe, the water of the Thames being full and flooding the
said wharf", and he fell into the river.

(Calendar of Coroners' Rolls of the City of London, 1300-1378)

(2) same, page 266 24 August 1340: John de Wrotham, 'turnour', juryman

MA-R

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Re: Wroth of London: originally de Wrotham?

Legg inn av Gjest » 18 mai 2006 23:33:45

mjcar@btinternet.com schrieb:

We know that Alderman John Wroth, fishmonger, Lord Mayor in 1361, was
the son of a John Wroth of London; furthermore, his son John Wroth (dvp
1375) was also a fishmonger, according to Mardi.

The will of John Wroth the younger was proved at the Commissary Court
of London, 1375 (Register 1, Folio 27v); in the index he is called
"John Wroth junior of Epping, Essex, and Enfield, Middlesex". This
will is now at the London Guildhall, ref 9171.

MA-R

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