Bruce DNA Test Results are in! Yahoo!
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Douglas Richardson
Bruce DNA Test Results are in! Yahoo!
Dear Newsgroup ~
Since we've been discussing the Brus/Bruce family of Scotland, England,
and France this past week, I thought I'd check to see if anyone
descended from my great-great-grandmother, Lovisa Bruce's male line has
had their Y-Chromosome DNA testing done. As it turns out, the test
results for a descendant of a brother of my Lovisa Bruce are now
availble on the Bruce DNA group website at
http://www.small-stuff.com/BRUCE/results.htm. Yahoo!
The test results indicate that Lovisa Bruce's patrilineal line is
fabled Viking stock (R1a), just like my own Richardson surname. Lovisa
Bruce's immigrant ancestor is George Bruce (or Brush), allegedly of
Scotland, who settled in Woburn, Massachusetts, where he died in 1692.
Question now is: Do the test results match anyone descended from the
royal Bruce family of Scotland?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
Since we've been discussing the Brus/Bruce family of Scotland, England,
and France this past week, I thought I'd check to see if anyone
descended from my great-great-grandmother, Lovisa Bruce's male line has
had their Y-Chromosome DNA testing done. As it turns out, the test
results for a descendant of a brother of my Lovisa Bruce are now
availble on the Bruce DNA group website at
http://www.small-stuff.com/BRUCE/results.htm. Yahoo!
The test results indicate that Lovisa Bruce's patrilineal line is
fabled Viking stock (R1a), just like my own Richardson surname. Lovisa
Bruce's immigrant ancestor is George Bruce (or Brush), allegedly of
Scotland, who settled in Woburn, Massachusetts, where he died in 1692.
Question now is: Do the test results match anyone descended from the
royal Bruce family of Scotland?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
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Nathaniel Taylor
Re: Bruce DNA Test Results are in!
In article <1144880888.155739.77370@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote:
What, if any, are the modern families with acknowledged male descent
(legitimate or illegitimate) from the Bruces of Annandale, or Skelton,
or other lines with shared agnatic origin?
Nat Taylor
a genealogist's sketchbook:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltaylor/leaves/
my children's 17th-century American immigrant ancestors:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltay ... rantsa.htm
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote:
Question now is: Do the test results match anyone descended from the
royal Bruce family of Scotland?
What, if any, are the modern families with acknowledged male descent
(legitimate or illegitimate) from the Bruces of Annandale, or Skelton,
or other lines with shared agnatic origin?
Nat Taylor
a genealogist's sketchbook:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltaylor/leaves/
my children's 17th-century American immigrant ancestors:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltay ... rantsa.htm
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R. Battle
Re: Bruce DNA Test Results are in!
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Nathaniel Taylor wrote:
<snip>
The earls of Elgin and Kincardine and their male-line descendants, who
appear to be legion according to the 1999 Burke's P&B, appear to fit the
bill. They are descendants of Thomas Bruce, who, according to CP 3:57
note (b) (sub "Carrick") was "probably" an illegitimate son of Edward de
Bruce, earl of Carrick and King of Ireland (brother of Robert I of
Scotland). There are also a couple of current Bruce baronetcies which are
at a further remove with regard to certain agnatic ancestry--according
to Burke's they "allegedly" descend from Sir Edward Bruce, a grandson of
the same Thomas Bruce.
-Robert Battle
<snip>
What, if any, are the modern families with acknowledged male descent
(legitimate or illegitimate) from the Bruces of Annandale, or Skelton,
or other lines with shared agnatic origin?
snip
The earls of Elgin and Kincardine and their male-line descendants, who
appear to be legion according to the 1999 Burke's P&B, appear to fit the
bill. They are descendants of Thomas Bruce, who, according to CP 3:57
note (b) (sub "Carrick") was "probably" an illegitimate son of Edward de
Bruce, earl of Carrick and King of Ireland (brother of Robert I of
Scotland). There are also a couple of current Bruce baronetcies which are
at a further remove with regard to certain agnatic ancestry--according
to Burke's they "allegedly" descend from Sir Edward Bruce, a grandson of
the same Thomas Bruce.
-Robert Battle
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Nathaniel Taylor
Re: Bruce DNA Test Results are in!
In article
<Pine.A41.4.64.0604130002520.178200@dante65.u.washington.edu>,
"R. Battle" <battle@u.washington.edu> wrote:
Thanks, Robert--and to Leo and James, who noted the same thing by e-mail.
It would be interesting to have a review of the known modern agnate
lines traceable to the various defunct royal dynasties in Britain (and
elsewhere). I remember the very interesting agnate line from Charles I
& Monmouth to someone in 19th-century New York, posted by our
short-lived Persian - Rockefeller interlocutor a couple of years ago
(that young man--what's become of him?--had the makings of another
George S.H.L. Washington, or George Henry de Strabolgie Neville
Plantagenet-Harrison).
Nat Taylor
a genealogist's sketchbook:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltaylor/leaves/
<Pine.A41.4.64.0604130002520.178200@dante65.u.washington.edu>,
"R. Battle" <battle@u.washington.edu> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Nathaniel Taylor wrote:
snip
What, if any, are the modern families with acknowledged male descent
(legitimate or illegitimate) from the Bruces of Annandale, or Skelton,
or other lines with shared agnatic origin?
snip
The earls of Elgin and Kincardine and their male-line descendants, who
appear to be legion according to the 1999 Burke's P&B, appear to fit the
bill. They are descendants of Thomas Bruce, who, according to CP 3:57
note (b) (sub "Carrick") was "probably" an illegitimate son of Edward de
Bruce, earl of Carrick and King of Ireland (brother of Robert I of
Scotland). There are also a couple of current Bruce baronetcies which are
at a further remove with regard to certain agnatic ancestry--according
to Burke's they "allegedly" descend from Sir Edward Bruce, a grandson of
the same Thomas Bruce.
Thanks, Robert--and to Leo and James, who noted the same thing by e-mail.
It would be interesting to have a review of the known modern agnate
lines traceable to the various defunct royal dynasties in Britain (and
elsewhere). I remember the very interesting agnate line from Charles I
& Monmouth to someone in 19th-century New York, posted by our
short-lived Persian - Rockefeller interlocutor a couple of years ago
(that young man--what's become of him?--had the makings of another
George S.H.L. Washington, or George Henry de Strabolgie Neville
Plantagenet-Harrison).
Nat Taylor
a genealogist's sketchbook:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltaylor/leaves/
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John Brandon
Re: Bruce DNA Test Results are in!
It would be interesting to have a review of the known modern agnate
lines traceable to the various defunct royal dynasties in Britain (and
elsewhere). I remember the very interesting agnate line from Charles I
& Monmouth to someone in 19th-century New York, posted by our
short-lived Persian - Rockefeller interlocutor a couple of years ago
(that young man--what's become of him?--had the makings of another
George S.H.L. Washington, or George Henry de Strabolgie Neville
Plantagenet-Harrison).
That was the Beauclerk family, I think. I thought there might actually
be something to that.
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John Brandon
Re: Bruce DNA Test Results are in!
Apparently this Matthew Rockefeller was born 1985, his mother is named
Vicki Miller, and he's the author of a book on Irish Clan Chiefs. See
http://www.loebtree.com/esk3.html .
Vicki Miller, and he's the author of a book on Irish Clan Chiefs. See
http://www.loebtree.com/esk3.html .
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Bruce DNA Test Results are in! Yahoo!
Dear Newsgroup ~
The Bruce DNA Testing Project website indicates that they have the DNA
test results of two descendants of the royal Bruce family of Scotland
(see http://www.small-stuff.com/BRUCE/de-brus.htm for the descents of
the individuals who were tested). According to the results of these
two 12 marker tests, the royal Bruce family falls into the R1b
Haplogroup, which I understand is the most common haplogroup in
Northern Europe.
The DNA test for the descendant of my immigrant ancestor, George Bruce,
is a 29 marker test, which is much more complete. It indicates that
George Bruce's family falls into the R1a Haplogroup (often called
Viking DNA). If these test results hold up, then obviously my George
Bruce was not closely related to the royal Bruce family. This suggests
either a non-paternity event in George Bruce's ancestry, or that more
than one individual in the distant past adopted the surname,
Brus/Bruce. Also, since George Bruce occasionally appeared as Brush
in contemporary records, the possibility exists that he modified his
surname from Brush to Bruce on his arrival in America. It would be
interesting to see if the DNA of the descendant of George Bruce matches
someone with the surname, Brush.
There are currently a total of 25 test results in the Bruce DNA
project. Of these results, four are R1a Haplogroup, including
descendants of two other Scottish immigrants named Bruce, as well as
the descendant of my George Bruce. The results of the majority of the
remaining participants in the Bruce study indicate that they are R1b
haplogroup, but they do not appear to be a close match to the royal
family.
Perhaps if Doug McDonald sees this post, he can explain for us his
interpretation of the Bruce DNA test results, which are found at the
following website:
http://www.small-stuff.com/BRUCE/results.htm
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry. net
The Bruce DNA Testing Project website indicates that they have the DNA
test results of two descendants of the royal Bruce family of Scotland
(see http://www.small-stuff.com/BRUCE/de-brus.htm for the descents of
the individuals who were tested). According to the results of these
two 12 marker tests, the royal Bruce family falls into the R1b
Haplogroup, which I understand is the most common haplogroup in
Northern Europe.
The DNA test for the descendant of my immigrant ancestor, George Bruce,
is a 29 marker test, which is much more complete. It indicates that
George Bruce's family falls into the R1a Haplogroup (often called
Viking DNA). If these test results hold up, then obviously my George
Bruce was not closely related to the royal Bruce family. This suggests
either a non-paternity event in George Bruce's ancestry, or that more
than one individual in the distant past adopted the surname,
Brus/Bruce. Also, since George Bruce occasionally appeared as Brush
in contemporary records, the possibility exists that he modified his
surname from Brush to Bruce on his arrival in America. It would be
interesting to see if the DNA of the descendant of George Bruce matches
someone with the surname, Brush.
There are currently a total of 25 test results in the Bruce DNA
project. Of these results, four are R1a Haplogroup, including
descendants of two other Scottish immigrants named Bruce, as well as
the descendant of my George Bruce. The results of the majority of the
remaining participants in the Bruce study indicate that they are R1b
haplogroup, but they do not appear to be a close match to the royal
family.
Perhaps if Doug McDonald sees this post, he can explain for us his
interpretation of the Bruce DNA test results, which are found at the
following website:
http://www.small-stuff.com/BRUCE/results.htm
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry. net
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Doug McDonald
Re: Bruce DNA Test Results are in! Yahoo!
Douglas Richardson wrote:
This R1a result is a fairly common one in Scotland. It is
related to the Eastern European type of R1a, with YCAIIb =
23, rather than the very Norwegian (Somerled) type (such as
I am) with YCAIIb = 21.
See http://www.Ysearch.org.
Doug McDonald
Perhaps if Doug McDonald sees this post, he can explain for us his
interpretation of the Bruce DNA test results, which are found at the
following website:
http://www.small-stuff.com/BRUCE/results.htm
This R1a result is a fairly common one in Scotland. It is
related to the Eastern European type of R1a, with YCAIIb =
23, rather than the very Norwegian (Somerled) type (such as
I am) with YCAIIb = 21.
See http://www.Ysearch.org.
Doug McDonald