Hi All
I found the following reference, which is one of many of similar type.
Does anyone have an idea what the word Indult, and donsel mean in this
context??
Also what was the idea behind these "indults".
1345
Indults to the underwritten persons to choose confessors, who shall give
them, being penitent, plenary remission at the hour of death, with the
usual safeguards:---
To Peter Breouse, donsel, of the diocese of Norfolk
2 Non Jan (f.275d) Cal. Pet. I 83
Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and
Ireland.: Papal.
REGESTA, VOL CLXIV p160
Kind Regards
Paul
Peter Breouse, donsel, of the diocese of Norfolk.
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Gjest
Re: Peter Breouse, donsel, of the diocese of Norfolk.
Paul Mackenzie schrieb:
A donsel was a student - the subject of this papal permission was a
trainee clergyman.
MA-R
Hi All
I found the following reference, which is one of many of similar type.
Does anyone have an idea what the word Indult, and donsel mean in this
context??
A donsel was a student - the subject of this papal permission was a
trainee clergyman.
MA-R
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Doug Thompson
Re: Peter Breouse, donsel, of the diocese of Norfolk.
On 8/4/06 07:58, in article
1144479484.870583.12230@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "mjcar@btinternet.com"
<mjcar@btinternet.com> wrote:
The definition I found is
Don´zel
n. 1. A young squire, or knight's attendant; a page.
So he was not necessarily in the clergy line.
Doug
1144479484.870583.12230@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "mjcar@btinternet.com"
<mjcar@btinternet.com> wrote:
Paul Mackenzie schrieb:
Hi All
I found the following reference, which is one of many of similar type.
Does anyone have an idea what the word Indult, and donsel mean in this
context??
A donsel was a student - the subject of this papal permission was a
trainee clergyman.
MA-R
The definition I found is
Don´zel
n. 1. A young squire, or knight's attendant; a page.
So he was not necessarily in the clergy line.
Doug
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Paul Mackenzie
Re: Peter Breouse, donsel, of the diocese of Norfolk.
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
Kind Regards
Paul
PS. I have been searching the papal registers on google book search
site. These registers have a lot of useful information.
E.G.
1345
2 Non Jan
Indults to the underwritten persons to choose confessors, who shall give
them, being penitent, plenary remission at the hour of death, with the
usual safeguards:---
To Peter Breouse, donsel, of the diocese of Norfolk
Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and
Ireland.: Papal.
REGESTA, VOL CLXIV p160
1354
Id. Dec
Indults to the underwritten persons to choose confessors, who shall give
them, being penitent, plenary remission at the hour of death, with the
usual safeguards:---
John de Brewes, knight, and Eva his wife of the diocese of Norwich
Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and
Ireland.: Papal.
REGESTA, VOL CCXXVI p528
1354
4 Non. Aug.
Indults to the underwritten persons to choose confessors, who shall give
them, being penitent, plenary remission at the hour of death, with the
usual safeguards:---
John de Wyngefeld, knight, and Eleanor his wife, of the diocese of Norwich.
Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and
Ireland.: Papal.
REGESTA, VOL CCXXVI p528
1376
2 Kal June Avignon (f. 16)
To Beatrice, lady of Brewes, of the diocese of Chicester. Indults to
have a portable Alter.
Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and
Ireland.: Papal.
REGESTA, VOL CCXXXVII p221
Paul Mackenzie schrieb:
Hi All
I found the following reference, which is one of many of similar type.
Does anyone have an idea what the word Indult, and donsel mean in this
context??
A donsel was a student - the subject of this papal permission was a
trainee clergyman.
MA-R
Thanks for everyone's help on this matter.
Kind Regards
Paul
PS. I have been searching the papal registers on google book search
site. These registers have a lot of useful information.
E.G.
1345
2 Non Jan
Indults to the underwritten persons to choose confessors, who shall give
them, being penitent, plenary remission at the hour of death, with the
usual safeguards:---
To Peter Breouse, donsel, of the diocese of Norfolk
Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and
Ireland.: Papal.
REGESTA, VOL CLXIV p160
1354
Id. Dec
Indults to the underwritten persons to choose confessors, who shall give
them, being penitent, plenary remission at the hour of death, with the
usual safeguards:---
John de Brewes, knight, and Eva his wife of the diocese of Norwich
Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and
Ireland.: Papal.
REGESTA, VOL CCXXVI p528
1354
4 Non. Aug.
Indults to the underwritten persons to choose confessors, who shall give
them, being penitent, plenary remission at the hour of death, with the
usual safeguards:---
John de Wyngefeld, knight, and Eleanor his wife, of the diocese of Norwich.
Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and
Ireland.: Papal.
REGESTA, VOL CCXXVI p528
1376
2 Kal June Avignon (f. 16)
To Beatrice, lady of Brewes, of the diocese of Chicester. Indults to
have a portable Alter.
Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and
Ireland.: Papal.
REGESTA, VOL CCXXXVII p221
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Paul Mackenzie
Re: Peter Breouse, donsel, of the diocese of Norfolk.
Doug Thompson wrote:
Many thanks Doug and all.
Peter de Brewes of Wiston apparently received his knighthood at Crecy on
26 Aug 1346[1]. He was the kings yeoman in 1345. Could this be Peter
Breouse, donsel [2]?
[1] 1346
Aug 26 Crecy
Grant to Robert Maule, to support the order of knighthood which has
taken from the king, and for his fee for his stay with him, of an
annuity of 40l. at the exchequer for life or until he be provided with
an equivalent of land and rent.
Like letters for the following ;-
Guy de Briane
John de Ravenesholm
Peter de Brewese
by K.
Memorandum that the letters to Peter de Brewese are vacated and
surrendered because his has other letters of the 40l. to be taken out of
the issues of the counties of Norfolk and Suffolk on the Patent Roll of
the twentieth-fifth year, under the date of 20 September.
CP 1345-1348:474
[2] 1345
2 Non Jan
Indults to the underwritten persons to choose confessors, who shall give
them, being penitent, plenary remission at the hour of death, with the
usual safeguards:---
To Peter Breouse, donsel, of the diocese of Norfolk
Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and
Ireland.: Papal.
REGESTA, VOL CLXIV p160
On 8/4/06 07:58, in article
1144479484.870583.12230@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "mjcar@btinternet.com"
mjcar@btinternet.com> wrote:
Paul Mackenzie schrieb:
Hi All
I found the following reference, which is one of many of similar type.
Does anyone have an idea what the word Indult, and donsel mean in this
context??
A donsel was a student - the subject of this papal permission was a
trainee clergyman.
MA-R
The definition I found is
Don´zel
n. 1. A young squire, or knight's attendant; a page.
So he was not necessarily in the clergy line.
Doug
Many thanks Doug and all.
Peter de Brewes of Wiston apparently received his knighthood at Crecy on
26 Aug 1346[1]. He was the kings yeoman in 1345. Could this be Peter
Breouse, donsel [2]?
[1] 1346
Aug 26 Crecy
Grant to Robert Maule, to support the order of knighthood which has
taken from the king, and for his fee for his stay with him, of an
annuity of 40l. at the exchequer for life or until he be provided with
an equivalent of land and rent.
Like letters for the following ;-
Guy de Briane
John de Ravenesholm
Peter de Brewese
by K.
Memorandum that the letters to Peter de Brewese are vacated and
surrendered because his has other letters of the 40l. to be taken out of
the issues of the counties of Norfolk and Suffolk on the Patent Roll of
the twentieth-fifth year, under the date of 20 September.
CP 1345-1348:474
[2] 1345
2 Non Jan
Indults to the underwritten persons to choose confessors, who shall give
them, being penitent, plenary remission at the hour of death, with the
usual safeguards:---
To Peter Breouse, donsel, of the diocese of Norfolk
Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and
Ireland.: Papal.
REGESTA, VOL CLXIV p160
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Gjest
Re: Peter Breouse, donsel, of the diocese of Norfolk.
Doug Thompson schrieb:
Quite right, Doug; I stand corrected. I have seen other examples where
the "donsel" clearly had a wife.
MA-R
The definition I found is
Don´zel
n. 1. A young squire, or knight's attendant; a page.
So he was not necessarily in the clergy line.
Quite right, Doug; I stand corrected. I have seen other examples where
the "donsel" clearly had a wife.
MA-R