Sir Thomas Molyneux & Catharine Salaboerte
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Gjest
Sir Thomas Molyneux & Catharine Salaboerte
I have come across a message from Raymond Perrault dated 19 Feb 2001
regarding Sir Thomas Molyneux (1531-1597) of Calais and Ireland, and
his wife Catharine Salaboerte. I am descended from Thomas Molyneux's
grandson, Samuel Molyneux of Castle Dillon, who married Anne (or
Margaret) Dowdall. Their daughter, Mary Molyneux, married John Madden
on 20 May 1680 and I am descended from this line. I have collected a
large amount of information about the Irish Molyneuxs, and also the
Molyneuxs of Sefton, but like Raymond, am unable to make it all fit
together (if, indeed, it does). I would very much like to make contact
with anyone researching Sir Thomas Molyneux and his Irish descendants.
Thanking you in advance, Jan B.
regarding Sir Thomas Molyneux (1531-1597) of Calais and Ireland, and
his wife Catharine Salaboerte. I am descended from Thomas Molyneux's
grandson, Samuel Molyneux of Castle Dillon, who married Anne (or
Margaret) Dowdall. Their daughter, Mary Molyneux, married John Madden
on 20 May 1680 and I am descended from this line. I have collected a
large amount of information about the Irish Molyneuxs, and also the
Molyneuxs of Sefton, but like Raymond, am unable to make it all fit
together (if, indeed, it does). I would very much like to make contact
with anyone researching Sir Thomas Molyneux and his Irish descendants.
Thanking you in advance, Jan B.
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Sutliff
Re: Sir Thomas Molyneux & Catharine Salaboerte
I probably descend from Mary Molyneux's brother Thomas Molyneux, 1st Baron
Molyneux of Castle Dillon so have also collected a fair amount on the
Molyneux of Castle Dillon. I have used sources like Lodge's Peerage, DNB,
The Ussher Memoirs, The Memoir of the Molineux Family and others, but still
not entirely staisfied with documentation and accuracy. However, will be
happy to help where I can. I have been unable to find any linkage thus far
between the Molyneux family of Calais and those of Sefton. Have seen
linkages on the internet, but no documentation.
Hap Sutliff
<jankinloss@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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Molyneux of Castle Dillon so have also collected a fair amount on the
Molyneux of Castle Dillon. I have used sources like Lodge's Peerage, DNB,
The Ussher Memoirs, The Memoir of the Molineux Family and others, but still
not entirely staisfied with documentation and accuracy. However, will be
happy to help where I can. I have been unable to find any linkage thus far
between the Molyneux family of Calais and those of Sefton. Have seen
linkages on the internet, but no documentation.
Hap Sutliff
<jankinloss@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1143975327.184678.218990@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
I have come across a message from Raymond Perrault dated 19 Feb 2001
regarding Sir Thomas Molyneux (1531-1597) of Calais and Ireland, and
his wife Catharine Salaboerte. I am descended from Thomas Molyneux's
grandson, Samuel Molyneux of Castle Dillon, who married Anne (or
Margaret) Dowdall. Their daughter, Mary Molyneux, married John Madden
on 20 May 1680 and I am descended from this line. I have collected a
large amount of information about the Irish Molyneuxs, and also the
Molyneuxs of Sefton, but like Raymond, am unable to make it all fit
together (if, indeed, it does). I would very much like to make contact
with anyone researching Sir Thomas Molyneux and his Irish descendants.
Thanking you in advance, Jan B.
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Gjest
Re: Sir Thomas Molyneux & Catharine Salaboerte
Hello Hap. Thanks for your message. I too have seen linkages between
Molyneux of Castle Dillon and Molyneux of Sefton on the internet, but
not in any authoritative written source (DNB etc). I have stopped my
family tree at Sir Thomas Molyneux, born Calais, recording his parents
as unknown (based on the DNB entry) but noting that there may be a
link, not yet established, to Molyneux of Sefton. One source I haven't
consulted is the Ussher Memoirs. Do you know how or where can I access
this? Thanks, Jan.
Molyneux of Castle Dillon and Molyneux of Sefton on the internet, but
not in any authoritative written source (DNB etc). I have stopped my
family tree at Sir Thomas Molyneux, born Calais, recording his parents
as unknown (based on the DNB entry) but noting that there may be a
link, not yet established, to Molyneux of Sefton. One source I haven't
consulted is the Ussher Memoirs. Do you know how or where can I access
this? Thanks, Jan.
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Sutliff
Re: Sir Thomas Molyneux & Catharine Salaboerte
Certainly. The Ussher Memoirs cane be found through the FHL, [FHL Film:
1279324, item 22]
Hap
<jankinloss@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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1279324, item 22]
Hap
<jankinloss@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1144144239.747999.145550@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hello Hap. Thanks for your message. I too have seen linkages between
Molyneux of Castle Dillon and Molyneux of Sefton on the internet, but
not in any authoritative written source (DNB etc). I have stopped my
family tree at Sir Thomas Molyneux, born Calais, recording his parents
as unknown (based on the DNB entry) but noting that there may be a
link, not yet established, to Molyneux of Sefton. One source I haven't
consulted is the Ussher Memoirs. Do you know how or where can I access
this? Thanks, Jan.
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Gjest
Re: Sir Thomas Molyneux & Catharine Salaboerte
Thanks. I'll put it on my 'to do' list!
Jan.
Jan.
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Raymond Perrault
Re: Sir Thomas Molyneux & Catharine Salaboerte
On 2006-04-04 02:50:39 -0700, jankinloss@hotmail.co.uk said:
Jan,
If you mean the recent book by Jemma Us(s?)her, I do have a copy and it
does not have anything new on the Molyneux saga.
--r
Hello Hap. Thanks for your message. I too have seen linkages between
Molyneux of Castle Dillon and Molyneux of Sefton on the internet, but
not in any authoritative written source (DNB etc). I have stopped my
family tree at Sir Thomas Molyneux, born Calais, recording his parents
as unknown (based on the DNB entry) but noting that there may be a
link, not yet established, to Molyneux of Sefton. One source I haven't
consulted is the Ussher Memoirs. Do you know how or where can I access
this? Thanks, Jan.
Jan,
If you mean the recent book by Jemma Us(s?)her, I do have a copy and it
does not have anything new on the Molyneux saga.
--r
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Gjest
Re: Sir Thomas Molyneux & Catharine Salaboerte
Hello Hap and Ray
Have just seen something today on the internet you might be interested
in....a history of the Parish of Clondalkin which has quite a lot of
information about Thomas Molyneux and his sons Samuel and Daniel....the
property they owned, positions they held, relationship to the Newcomens
etc. I'd be interested what you make of the reference to Edward
Molyneux. It seems to imply that he was a relative of Thomas's and
could explain why he moved to Dublin, perhaps? The document is at
http://chapters.eiretek.org/ball1-6/Ball4/ball4.11.htm. I found it by
doing a Google search on 'Molyneux Bruges' but expect a search on
'Clondalkin' would also work. Cheers, Jan.
Have just seen something today on the internet you might be interested
in....a history of the Parish of Clondalkin which has quite a lot of
information about Thomas Molyneux and his sons Samuel and Daniel....the
property they owned, positions they held, relationship to the Newcomens
etc. I'd be interested what you make of the reference to Edward
Molyneux. It seems to imply that he was a relative of Thomas's and
could explain why he moved to Dublin, perhaps? The document is at
http://chapters.eiretek.org/ball1-6/Ball4/ball4.11.htm. I found it by
doing a Google search on 'Molyneux Bruges' but expect a search on
'Clondalkin' would also work. Cheers, Jan.
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John Higgins
Re: Sir Thomas Molyneux & Catharine Salaboerte
It appears that you need a "www" in front of "chapters" in the address
below. So the proper address should be:
http://www.chapters.eiretek.org/books/b ... ll4.11.htm
There is also another reference to him, along with his son-in-law Sir Robert
Newcomen, in Chapter 10 of vol. 4 - easily found by altering the last part
of the URL above.
The citation is to a chapter in "The History of the County of Dublin", by
Francis Elrington Ball. The information about Sir Thomas Molyneux is
interesting but unfortunately doesn't address his ancestry. As to Edward
Molyneux, Ball says he was "of the same name" as Sir Thomas but goes so far
as to say they were related. I can't find an Edward in the standard
pedigrees of Molyneux of Sefton in an appropriate time frame - perhaps he
[and Sir Thomas] belonged to the Haughton branch of the family?
It appears that the ancestry of Sir Thomas Molyneux will continue to remain
a mystery for the present time....
----- Original Message -----
From: <jankinloss@hotmail.co.uk>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: Sir Thomas Molyneux & Catharine Salaboerte
below. So the proper address should be:
http://www.chapters.eiretek.org/books/b ... ll4.11.htm
There is also another reference to him, along with his son-in-law Sir Robert
Newcomen, in Chapter 10 of vol. 4 - easily found by altering the last part
of the URL above.
The citation is to a chapter in "The History of the County of Dublin", by
Francis Elrington Ball. The information about Sir Thomas Molyneux is
interesting but unfortunately doesn't address his ancestry. As to Edward
Molyneux, Ball says he was "of the same name" as Sir Thomas but goes so far
as to say they were related. I can't find an Edward in the standard
pedigrees of Molyneux of Sefton in an appropriate time frame - perhaps he
[and Sir Thomas] belonged to the Haughton branch of the family?
It appears that the ancestry of Sir Thomas Molyneux will continue to remain
a mystery for the present time....
----- Original Message -----
From: <jankinloss@hotmail.co.uk>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: Sir Thomas Molyneux & Catharine Salaboerte
Hello Hap and Ray
Have just seen something today on the internet you might be interested
in....a history of the Parish of Clondalkin which has quite a lot of
information about Thomas Molyneux and his sons Samuel and Daniel....the
property they owned, positions they held, relationship to the Newcomens
etc. I'd be interested what you make of the reference to Edward
Molyneux. It seems to imply that he was a relative of Thomas's and
could explain why he moved to Dublin, perhaps? The document is at
http://chapters.eiretek.org/ball1-6/Ball4/ball4.11.htm. I found it by
doing a Google search on 'Molyneux Bruges' but expect a search on
'Clondalkin' would also work. Cheers, Jan.
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John Higgins
Re: Sir Thomas Molyneux & Catharine Salaboerte
Correction:
As to Edward Molyneux, Ball says he was "of the same name" as Sir Thomas but
DOES NOT GO so far as to say they were related.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Higgins" <jthiggins@sbcglobal.net>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Sir Thomas Molyneux & Catharine Salaboerte
As to Edward Molyneux, Ball says he was "of the same name" as Sir Thomas but
DOES NOT GO so far as to say they were related.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Higgins" <jthiggins@sbcglobal.net>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Sir Thomas Molyneux & Catharine Salaboerte
It appears that you need a "www" in front of "chapters" in the address
below. So the proper address should be:
http://www.chapters.eiretek.org/books/b ... ll4.11.htm
There is also another reference to him, along with his son-in-law Sir
Robert
Newcomen, in Chapter 10 of vol. 4 - easily found by altering the last part
of the URL above.
The citation is to a chapter in "The History of the County of Dublin", by
Francis Elrington Ball. The information about Sir Thomas Molyneux is
interesting but unfortunately doesn't address his ancestry. As to Edward
Molyneux, Ball says he was "of the same name" as Sir Thomas but goes so
far
as to say they were related. I can't find an Edward in the standard
pedigrees of Molyneux of Sefton in an appropriate time frame - perhaps he
[and Sir Thomas] belonged to the Haughton branch of the family?
It appears that the ancestry of Sir Thomas Molyneux will continue to
remain
a mystery for the present time....
----- Original Message -----
From: <jankinloss@hotmail.co.uk
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: Sir Thomas Molyneux & Catharine Salaboerte
Hello Hap and Ray
Have just seen something today on the internet you might be interested
in....a history of the Parish of Clondalkin which has quite a lot of
information about Thomas Molyneux and his sons Samuel and Daniel....the
property they owned, positions they held, relationship to the Newcomens
etc. I'd be interested what you make of the reference to Edward
Molyneux. It seems to imply that he was a relative of Thomas's and
could explain why he moved to Dublin, perhaps? The document is at
http://chapters.eiretek.org/ball1-6/Ball4/ball4.11.htm. I found it by
doing a Google search on 'Molyneux Bruges' but expect a search on
'Clondalkin' would also work. Cheers, Jan.
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Gjest
Re: Sir Thomas Molyneux & Catharine Salaboerte
Hello John
Thanks for your message regarding the URL I gave for the chapter about
Clondalkin. It seems to work both with and without the 'www'. Either
way, you're right that Ball does NOT say that Thomas Molyneux was
related to Edward Molyneux, just that they were 'of the same name'. I
was, however, wondering whether Thomas Molyneux, who had previously
lived in France, Belgium and London, had been sent to Dublin or whether
he had specifically chosen to go there. And if it was the latter, was
there any connection to the Edward Molyneux who 'had not long before
filled the office of Clerk of the Council' in that city? I haven't
come across any other references to Molyneuxs in Dublin which pre-date
Thomas Molyneux's arrival in 1581, so I am really not sure of the
significance of the reference to Edward Molyneux. It was just a
thought, or maybe wishful thinking, that there might be a family
connection.
Jan.
Thanks for your message regarding the URL I gave for the chapter about
Clondalkin. It seems to work both with and without the 'www'. Either
way, you're right that Ball does NOT say that Thomas Molyneux was
related to Edward Molyneux, just that they were 'of the same name'. I
was, however, wondering whether Thomas Molyneux, who had previously
lived in France, Belgium and London, had been sent to Dublin or whether
he had specifically chosen to go there. And if it was the latter, was
there any connection to the Edward Molyneux who 'had not long before
filled the office of Clerk of the Council' in that city? I haven't
come across any other references to Molyneuxs in Dublin which pre-date
Thomas Molyneux's arrival in 1581, so I am really not sure of the
significance of the reference to Edward Molyneux. It was just a
thought, or maybe wishful thinking, that there might be a family
connection.
Jan.