Early de Fiennes

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Early de Fiennes

Legg inn av SomersetSue » 11 mar 2006 01:31:17

Having discovered only two weeks ago that my Fines family linked back
to the de Fiennes I have been trying to make sense of the earliest
members I can find of this interesting family.
So far I seem to have found two different lineages and I am not sure
which is more accurate or if they are alternative names.
I have seen a number of websites (including Dover Castle's own) which
say that John de Fiennes was a constable of Dover Castle following the
Conquest. Several online trees show the generations following him as
James, John, Alan and then Ingelram who married Sibyl de Tingrie.
Other websites talk of Eustache I followed by Conan then Eustache II
then Ingelram and Sibyl.
I have been hunting through online discussions but I'm still not sure
whether these are different names for the same people (though the
Eustache line is one generation shorter and the dates don't seem to
match).
Please can anyone help me sort out what is well documented and what is
simply legend here? I'm a beginner at medieval genealogy and I am
feeling rather confused.

Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: Early de Fiennes

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 11 mar 2006 10:04:35

In message of 11 Mar, "SomersetSue" <SueBurne@aol.com> wrote:

<Problem with Fiennes>

Please can anyone help me sort out what is well documented and what is
simply legend here? I'm a beginner at medieval genealogy and I am
feeling rather confused.

Have a look at Leo van der Pas' very useful list of books and their
evaluation at:

http://worldroots.com/brigitte/royal/bo ... okeval.htm

If the sites don't give a C reference, you would be better off
ignoring them.

And have you discovered Leo's massive genealogy site:

http://www.genealogics.org

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org
             For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

SomersetSue

Re: Early de Fiennes

Legg inn av SomersetSue » 12 mar 2006 00:15:35

Thank you Tim

That's helpful. It certainly looks as if the Eustache, Conan etc, de
Fiennes are the right ones. I'm happier to add them to my tree than the
alternatives.
I wonder where some of the following got their information though?

http://home.freeuk.net/eastkent/dover/g ... tables.htm

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Histor ... rons2.html

I've sent an e-mail to Dover Museum to see if they have any further
information.

It looks as if the John and James de Fiennes names have been known
since Victorian times
They are mentioned in this index
http://richardnelson.netfirms.com/Index ... rt%201.doc
and here
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Ti ... gHall.html

Looks like this might all be based on an old French document
http://www.fynesg.freeserve.co.uk/Genea ... 0Fynes.htm
But at least Eustace is mentioned here.

So is John de Fiennes the Constable of Dover Castle a reality or a
fiction? If he's real how is he connected to the Eustaches?

best wishes
Sue

alden@mindspring.com

Re: Early de Fiennes

Legg inn av alden@mindspring.com » 14 mar 2006 19:25:31

I am sorry I don't have the exact references here, but Keats-Rohan's
books that Tim has referenced, Weis' Ancestral Roots books, European
Stamfeln I believe lead to the following line (numbers used for
convenience):

Eustace I
Conan
Eustace II
Enguerrand I
Guillaume I
Enguerrand II
Guillaume II
who died 11 Jul 1302.

If i get time I will try to make a more detailed post. Hope this aids
you in your search.

Doug Smith

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