Latin Help, Again Please

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Patricia Junkin

Latin Help, Again Please

Legg inn av Patricia Junkin » 10 mar 2006 20:42:02

I do not wish to presume since many have been so kind in the past, but this
is causing a bit of a problem for me since there are seemingly
abbreviations.


Inter Waltm. de Bersted quer' et Osbertum de Kaylly deforc'--De
decem libratis et sexdecim denar' redditus in Wyuelesfeud, Wrth, Yfford,
Meschyng, Ouingeden et Wychcenden; unde placitumconvencionis sum' fuit inter
eos:--Osbertus recognovit predictum redditum cum pertientiis scil' homagium
et totam servicium Johis. de la Bysse et heredum suorum de omnibus
tenementis que Johes. prius tenuit de Osberto in eisdem villis sine aliquo
retinemento esse jus Walti.,tenendum &c., faciendo as scutagium quando
evenerit servitum feodi unius militis pro omni servitio:--Pro hoc fine
Walts. dedit Osberto quater viginti et decem libras. Et hec concordia facta
fuit in eadem curis Walto. homogium fecit. 47 H. III--1263

Thank you in advance for any help.
Pat

pj.evans

Re: Latin Help, Again Please

Legg inn av pj.evans » 10 mar 2006 22:52:07

My initial reading is that Osbert de Kaylly sold land in these 6
villages to Walter de Bersted, for the sum of L90, the land having
earlier been held by service of John de la Bysse and his heirs (one
knight, it says later).

But I could easily be wrong.

"Patricia Junkin" wrote:
I do not wish to presume since many have been so kind in the past, but this
is causing a bit of a problem for me since there are seemingly
abbreviations.

Chris Phillips

Re: Latin Help, Again Please

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 11 mar 2006 00:03:19

pj.evans wrote:
My initial reading is that Osbert de Kaylly sold land in these 6
villages to Walter de Bersted, for the sum of L90, the land having
earlier been held by service of John de la Bysse and his heirs (one
knight, it says later).

The property is 10 pounds and 16 pence of rent in these places, together
with its appurtenances, namely the homage and service of John de la Bysse
and his heirs for the tenements that John held of Osbert (that is, John is a
tenant, and his service is part of the property being conveyed). Walter is
to do the service of one knight.

Chris Phillips

pj.evans

Re: Latin Help, Again Please

Legg inn av pj.evans » 11 mar 2006 00:35:56

What happens when there's no dictionary around to check things. I saw
the L10 16d but didn't connect it to rent, mostly because it says
librates. My thanks for the correction to my mistranslation.

Chris Phillips wrote:
pj.evans wrote:
My initial reading is that Osbert de Kaylly sold land in these 6
villages to Walter de Bersted, for the sum of L90, the land having
earlier been held by service of John de la Bysse and his heirs (one
knight, it says later).

The property is 10 pounds and 16 pence of rent in these places, together
with its appurtenances, namely the homage and service of John de la Bysse
and his heirs for the tenements that John held of Osbert (that is, John is a
tenant, and his service is part of the property being conveyed). Walter is
to do the service of one knight.

Chris Phillips

Alex Maxwell Findlater

Re: Latin Help, Again Please

Legg inn av Alex Maxwell Findlater » 12 mar 2006 12:27:51

"Reditus" (classical) "redditus" (mediaeval latin) means rent,
literally a going-back or return, from "red-eo" I go back. We still
use return for the income from an
investment today.

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