Fw: Valenza & Eudokia - a Komnen-Palaiolog hypothesis

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Ford Mommaerts-Browne

Fw: Valenza & Eudokia - a Komnen-Palaiolog hypothesis

Legg inn av Ford Mommaerts-Browne » 10 mar 2006 06:39:01

I tire of this. I was trying to help to determine who the lady was by asking whether or no her name might give a clue to origins. I warned that I did not want to get off on a tangent; and here we are - on a tangent regarding naming practices. Both Greek, (where you are very dogmatic), and Latin, (where you are equally dogmatic, yet, somehow, woefully uninformed, [or misinformed]). I have noticed in the past that you do this quite often. I.e. bring up some interesting tid-bit of information, then argue down several tangential sidestreets, (whence my warning), flogging all and sundry dead-horses along the way, and never return to, let alone resolve, any original issue. My apologies if this is rather too blunt, but I grow weary of such patterns. Spent over an hour with one of the most notorious of circular arguers last night. I wax vexed & wroth at wasting my time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Akrogiali" <akrogiali@westnet.com.au>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: Valenza & Eudokia - a Komnen-Palaiolog hypothesis


| >You have mentioned that Greeks name their first daughter after the paternal
| >grandma, and the second after the maternal grandma. Since they never, ever
| >name their daughters after mamam, what about third, fourth or fifth
| >daughters?
|
| 3rd and 4th daughter are named consultation with the Godparents. That does
| not apply here.
|
| >If this is not a Greek family, as you contend, then Greek naming patterns
| >are immaterial &
| > irrelevant.
|
| The naming pattern is relevant to argue that she was not Greek.
|
|
| >Still, the name had to come from some idea, if not an actual person. The
| >question being >addressed is/was, 'What was the principle behind the
| >name?'.
|
| Latins did not have strict traditional patterns in naming female individuals
| (for males they did). There were no principles behind female names.

<a lot of crap, from myself and others, scooped out>
With sincere best wishes,
Ford

Kelsey Williams

Re: Fw: Valenza & Eudokia - a Komnen-Palaiolog hypothesis

Legg inn av Kelsey Williams » 10 mar 2006 16:26:38

I think this argument would be most profitably resolved if people were
simply to read the definitive article on the alleged Komnene-Crispo
marriage:

Michel Kursankis, "Une alliance problématique au XVe siècle: le
mariage de Valenza Comnena, fille d'un empereur de Trébizonde, avec
Niccolo Crispo, seigneur de Santorin," _Archeion Pontou_ 30 (1970).

Cheers,
Kelsey

Ford Mommaerts-Browne

Re: Fw: Valenza & Eudokia - a Komnen-Palaiolog hypothesis

Legg inn av Ford Mommaerts-Browne » 11 mar 2006 02:50:02

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelsey Williams" <zetetes_sofias@yahoo.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Valenza & Eudokia - a Komnen-Palaiolog hypothesis


I think this argument would be most profitably resolved if people were
simply to read the definitive article on the alleged Komnene-Crispo
marriage:

Michel Kursankis, "Une alliance problématique au XVe siècle: le
mariage de Valenza Comnena, fille d'un empereur de Trébizonde, avec
Niccolo Crispo, seigneur de Santorin," _Archeion Pontou_ 30 (1970).

Cheers,
Kelsey

That certainly would make me cheery, if I could get it. I had not known of it until you mentioned it. Thank you for this, Kelsy, AND belatedly for all of the other useful things you bring to our attention.
Sincerely,
Ford

Akrogiali

Re: Fw: Valenza & Eudokia - a Komnen-Palaiolog hypothesis

Legg inn av Akrogiali » 12 mar 2006 22:50:02

You mean "resolved by reading a book written 1970?

NO, This theory will be resolved if actually one person produces an original
document that makes all the claims people make today.
Also ONE website published a list of the "children: of Valenza" and since
then numerous other Websites copied it. Soon everyone will claim it as a
fact.
To my knowledge in the 70's there were only two known. Now there are about
7-9.

I think Valenza should be left alone until GENUINE information is found.


"Kelsey Williams" <zetetes_sofias@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1142004398.354019.203320@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
I think this argument would be most profitably resolved if people were
simply to read the definitive article on the alleged Komnene-Crispo
marriage:

Michel Kursankis, "Une alliance problématique au XVe siècle: le
mariage de Valenza Comnena, fille d'un empereur de Trébizonde, avec
Niccolo Crispo, seigneur de Santorin," _Archeion Pontou_ 30 (1970).

Cheers,
Kelsey

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