I thought this seal was very interesting =
W. de G. Birch, _Catalogue of Seals in the Department of Manuscripts in
the British Museum_, 3:559:
Sir Martin Stuteville, of Dalham, co. Suff.
13,759. [A.D. 1628]. Red: very indistinct, injured by pressure.
About 1 x 7/8 in. when perfect. [Add. ch. 9281.]
Oval: a shield of arms: quarterly of [nine] pieces: 1.
STUTEVILLE; 2. BORLEY; 3. WALKFAIR; 4. UNDERHILL; 5. CALDEBECK;
[6. HINDLEY [sic]; 7. NOTBEENE or NOTBONE; 8. PEACH; 9. BIRDE.]
Crest on a helmet, ornamental mantling and wreath, six mantles, ermine
and ermines.
Carved border.
Seal recaping the Peche-Notbeme-Hinckley-Caldebeck-Underhill
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Gjest
Re: Seal recaping the Peche-Notbeme-Hinckley-Caldebeck-Under
That shield is part of the Lawrence family of Ipswich, Mass.'s royal
line as given at The Genealogist 10 (1989):3-30.
Gilbert Pecche, 2nd Baron Pecche m. Joan (---)
Katherine Pecche m. Thomas Notbeam
Margaret Notbeam m. John Hinkley
Cecily Hinkley m. Henry Caldebeck
Thomasine Caldebeck m. Thomas Underhill
Anne Underhill m. Thomas Knighton
Joan Knighton m. Charles Bull
Richard Bull m. Alice Hunt
Elizabeth Bull m. John Lawrence
Thomas Lawrence m. Joan Antrobus who m. 2nd John Tuttle
It makes one think that the maiden name of Joan who married Gilbert
Pecche, 2nd Baron Pecche must be Birde considering the names and the
order in which they appear.
Martin
John Brandon wrote:
line as given at The Genealogist 10 (1989):3-30.
Gilbert Pecche, 2nd Baron Pecche m. Joan (---)
Katherine Pecche m. Thomas Notbeam
Margaret Notbeam m. John Hinkley
Cecily Hinkley m. Henry Caldebeck
Thomasine Caldebeck m. Thomas Underhill
Anne Underhill m. Thomas Knighton
Joan Knighton m. Charles Bull
Richard Bull m. Alice Hunt
Elizabeth Bull m. John Lawrence
Thomas Lawrence m. Joan Antrobus who m. 2nd John Tuttle
It makes one think that the maiden name of Joan who married Gilbert
Pecche, 2nd Baron Pecche must be Birde considering the names and the
order in which they appear.
Martin
John Brandon wrote:
I thought this seal was very interesting =
W. de G. Birch, _Catalogue of Seals in the Department of Manuscripts in
the British Museum_, 3:559:
Sir Martin Stuteville, of Dalham, co. Suff.
13,759. [A.D. 1628]. Red: very indistinct, injured by pressure.
About 1 x 7/8 in. when perfect. [Add. ch. 9281.]
Oval: a shield of arms: quarterly of [nine] pieces: 1.
STUTEVILLE; 2. BORLEY; 3. WALKFAIR; 4. UNDERHILL; 5. CALDEBECK;
[6. HINDLEY [sic]; 7. NOTBEENE or NOTBONE; 8. PEACH; 9. BIRDE.]
Crest on a helmet, ornamental mantling and wreath, six mantles, ermine
and ermines.
Carved border.
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Tim Powys-Lybbe
Re: Seal recaping the Peche-Notbeme-Hinckley-Caldebeck-Under
In message of 3 Mar, mhollick@mac.com wrote:
Regrettably not. The order in an achievement of arms is solely the
order of the heiresses (those with no brothers with issue, they don't
have to have money or property). Birde could be several generations
before Peach or even on the next branch after Peach, so Birde may not
even be a relation of Peach.
In general you have to do the genealogy first before getting onto the
heraldry, the exception to this being when husband and wife are shown
with their arms impaled.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
John Brandon wrote:
I thought this seal was very interesting =
W. de G. Birch, _Catalogue of Seals in the Department of Manuscripts in
the British Museum_, 3:559:
Sir Martin Stuteville, of Dalham, co. Suff.
13,759. [A.D. 1628]. Red: very indistinct, injured by pressure.
About 1 x 7/8 in. when perfect. [Add. ch. 9281.]
Oval: a shield of arms: quarterly of [nine] pieces: 1.
STUTEVILLE; 2. BORLEY; 3. WALKFAIR; 4. UNDERHILL; 5. CALDEBECK;
[6. HINDLEY [sic]; 7. NOTBEENE or NOTBONE; 8. PEACH; 9. BIRDE.]
Crest on a helmet, ornamental mantling and wreath, six mantles, ermine
and ermines.
Carved border.
That shield is part of the Lawrence family of Ipswich, Mass.'s royal
line as given at The Genealogist 10 (1989):3-30.
Gilbert Pecche, 2nd Baron Pecche m. Joan (---)
Katherine Pecche m. Thomas Notbeam
Margaret Notbeam m. John Hinkley
Cecily Hinkley m. Henry Caldebeck
Thomasine Caldebeck m. Thomas Underhill
Anne Underhill m. Thomas Knighton
Joan Knighton m. Charles Bull
Richard Bull m. Alice Hunt
Elizabeth Bull m. John Lawrence
Thomas Lawrence m. Joan Antrobus who m. 2nd John Tuttle
It makes one think that the maiden name of Joan who married Gilbert
Pecche, 2nd Baron Pecche must be Birde considering the names and the
order in which they appear.
Regrettably not. The order in an achievement of arms is solely the
order of the heiresses (those with no brothers with issue, they don't
have to have money or property). Birde could be several generations
before Peach or even on the next branch after Peach, so Birde may not
even be a relation of Peach.
In general you have to do the genealogy first before getting onto the
heraldry, the exception to this being when husband and wife are shown
with their arms impaled.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
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Gjest
Re: Seal recaping the Peche-Notbeme-Hinckley-Caldebeck-Under
Thanks for the explanation. I know nothing about heraldry. I would be
greatful if you could suggestion a good reference work on the subject.
greatful if you could suggestion a good reference work on the subject.
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John Brandon
Re: Seal recaping the Peche-Notbeme-Hinckley-Caldebeck-Under
mhollick@mac.com wrote:
There is a pedigree chart in Cussans' _Hertfordshire_ showing a
Knighton of Bayford married to a Le Hunt and showing Le Hunt and Soames
descendants. This seemed somewhat interesting, as the New England line
married into a Hunt family, but maybe it's all covered in _The
Genealogist_, 10 (1989):3-30.
That shield is part of the Lawrence family of Ipswich, Mass.'s royal
line as given at The Genealogist 10 (1989):3-30.
Gilbert Pecche, 2nd Baron Pecche m. Joan (---)
Katherine Pecche m. Thomas Notbeam
Margaret Notbeam m. John Hinkley
Cecily Hinkley m. Henry Caldebeck
Thomasine Caldebeck m. Thomas Underhill
Anne Underhill m. Thomas Knighton
Joan Knighton m. Charles Bull
Richard Bull m. Alice Hunt
Elizabeth Bull m. John Lawrence
Thomas Lawrence m. Joan Antrobus who m. 2nd John Tuttle
It makes one think that the maiden name of Joan who married Gilbert
Pecche, 2nd Baron Pecche must be Birde considering the names and the
order in which they appear.
Martin
There is a pedigree chart in Cussans' _Hertfordshire_ showing a
Knighton of Bayford married to a Le Hunt and showing Le Hunt and Soames
descendants. This seemed somewhat interesting, as the New England line
married into a Hunt family, but maybe it's all covered in _The
Genealogist_, 10 (1989):3-30.
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Tim Powys-Lybbe
Re: Seal recaping the Peche-Notbeme-Hinckley-Caldebeck-Under
In message of 3 Mar, mhollick@mac.com wrote:
"Oxford Guide to Heraldry" by Woodcock and Robinson, concise but
readable and clear.
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Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
Thanks for the explanation. I know nothing about heraldry. I would be
greatful if you could suggestion a good reference work on the subject.
"Oxford Guide to Heraldry" by Woodcock and Robinson, concise but
readable and clear.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org