Which one is correct? I checked around and it seems to be divided about
equally. between either one.
1. Mathilde de Burgundy
2. dau of Hugues II, Duc de Burgundy and *Mathilde de Turenne*
3. dau of Boso I, Vicomte de Turenne and Gerberge de Terrasson
or is it?
1. Mathilde de Burgundy
2. dau of Hugues II, Duc de Burgundy and *Mathilde de Mayenne*
3. dau of Gautier de Mayenne and Adeline de Presles
W. David Samuelsen
Mathilde Turenne or Mathilde Mayenne?
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Todd A. Farmerie
Re: Mathilde Turenne or Mathilde Mayenne?
W David Samuelsen wrote:
The wife of Hugh was Mathilde of Mayenne. This has been discussed
several times before in the group - you may want to give the archives a
look.
taf
Which one is correct? I checked around and it seems to be divided about
equally. between either one.
1. Mathilde de Burgundy
2. dau of Hugues II, Duc de Burgundy and *Mathilde de Turenne*
3. dau of Boso I, Vicomte de Turenne and Gerberge de Terrasson
or is it?
1. Mathilde de Burgundy
2. dau of Hugues II, Duc de Burgundy and *Mathilde de Mayenne*
3. dau of Gautier de Mayenne and Adeline de Presles
The wife of Hugh was Mathilde of Mayenne. This has been discussed
several times before in the group - you may want to give the archives a
look.
taf
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Ginny Wagner
RE: Mathilde Turenne or Mathilde Mayenne?
In KSB Keats-Rohan's article, Prosopography of post-conquest
England, Walter of Mayenne (Gautier) and Adeline had
Hamelin, Juhel, and two known daughters, Hersendis and
Felicia, who became the wife of Eudes Borel's son, Hugh II,
duke of Burgundy; and who, after her marriage, was called
Mathilde,
footnoted as: For Felicia see Cart. manceau 2, Mayenne no.
13 (1120).
Discussion on gen-med starting March 1997, subj: Mathilde ?
wife of Hugh II Borel, Duke of Burgundy.
another discussion on gen-med in July, 2000, subj: AT of
Matilda of Mayenne, wife of Hugh II of Burgundy
Hope this helps.
Ginny
ginnywagner@austin.rr.com
England, Walter of Mayenne (Gautier) and Adeline had
Hamelin, Juhel, and two known daughters, Hersendis and
Felicia, who became the wife of Eudes Borel's son, Hugh II,
duke of Burgundy; and who, after her marriage, was called
Mathilde,
footnoted as: For Felicia see Cart. manceau 2, Mayenne no.
13 (1120).
Discussion on gen-med starting March 1997, subj: Mathilde ?
wife of Hugh II Borel, Duke of Burgundy.
another discussion on gen-med in July, 2000, subj: AT of
Matilda of Mayenne, wife of Hugh II of Burgundy
Hope this helps.
Ginny
ginnywagner@austin.rr.com
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Gjest
Re: Mathilde Turenne or Mathilde Mayenne?
So where IS Mayenne? (Turenne is in Aquitaine or Poitou, I believe).
In the Song of Roland, the wicked Duke Ganhelon of Mayenne who betrays
Roland to the Moors comes, I believe, from Mainz, which was sometimes
called Mayenne in French-speaking medieval sources. This does not mean
there was no Mayenne near Germany -- indeed, it is likely there was,
and the author of the Song of Roland copied the name in "Frenchifying"
Mainz.
Jean Coeur de Lapin
In the Song of Roland, the wicked Duke Ganhelon of Mayenne who betrays
Roland to the Moors comes, I believe, from Mainz, which was sometimes
called Mayenne in French-speaking medieval sources. This does not mean
there was no Mayenne near Germany -- indeed, it is likely there was,
and the author of the Song of Roland copied the name in "Frenchifying"
Mainz.
Jean Coeur de Lapin
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Gjest
Re: Mathilde Turenne or Mathilde Mayenne?
For what it's worth: my Seize Quartiers Capetiens has "Mathilde of
Turenne," d. of Boso I, vct. de Turenne (d. 1091) and his second wife,
Gerberge, and they follow this iwth Boso's ancestry back to Archambaud
de Comborn (who married Supicie de Turenne) and Richard the Fearless of
Normandy....
But Europaische Stammtafeln has Mayenne. But where was Mayenne? And did
Boso of Turenne have a daughter who married into Burgundy?
Could "Mayenne" be a mis-print for "Maine"? "Juhel," a Breton name,
might well turn up in Maine (which is close to the western edge of
Brittany) and Hersendis/Gersenda is a popular name in that family.
I'm not sure which volume of ES has Turenne and Comborn....
Jean Coeur de Lapin
Turenne," d. of Boso I, vct. de Turenne (d. 1091) and his second wife,
Gerberge, and they follow this iwth Boso's ancestry back to Archambaud
de Comborn (who married Supicie de Turenne) and Richard the Fearless of
Normandy....
But Europaische Stammtafeln has Mayenne. But where was Mayenne? And did
Boso of Turenne have a daughter who married into Burgundy?
Could "Mayenne" be a mis-print for "Maine"? "Juhel," a Breton name,
might well turn up in Maine (which is close to the western edge of
Brittany) and Hersendis/Gersenda is a popular name in that family.
I'm not sure which volume of ES has Turenne and Comborn....
Jean Coeur de Lapin
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CE Wood
Re: Mathilde Turenne or Mathilde Mayenne?
Mayenne was named after the Mayenne River "in northwestern France; its
headwaters are west-northwest of Alençon in Forêt de Multonne, Orne
département. It flows southward for 121 miles (195 km) to its
confluence with the Sarthe above Angers. The combined rivers, called
the Maine River (q.v.), flow through Angers into the Loire." [Enc.
Brit.]
"Documents record that the Château de Mayenne, at Mayenne in
north-western France, was given by the Count of Anjou to Hamon de
Mayenne in 1000, but recent restoration work has suggested a much
earlier foundation date. Workmen removing plaster in the medieval core
of the castle revealed brick and stone arcades similar to those found
in Carolingian churches; and radiocarbon dating of charcoal in the
mortar produced dates centred on AD850....The castle stands in the
frontier zone between Normandy, Brittany and Anjou, and for centuries
controlled the north- south route to the Loire. It was beseiged and
taken by William the Conqueror in 1063, and was twice captured by the
English during the Hundred Years War, who held it for 15 years until
1448." [Brit. Arch. #16, July 1996]
"The 9th and 10th centuries were a period of repeated Viking raids in
the area, and the excavators believe the castle was rebuilt in stone as
an `expression of power' to warn off any potential raiders. Lying in
the buffer zone between Normandy, Brittany and Anjou, it was later
besieged by William the Conqueror in 1063." [Brit. Arch. #38, Oct.
1998]
atsarisborn@hotmail.com wrote:
headwaters are west-northwest of Alençon in Forêt de Multonne, Orne
département. It flows southward for 121 miles (195 km) to its
confluence with the Sarthe above Angers. The combined rivers, called
the Maine River (q.v.), flow through Angers into the Loire." [Enc.
Brit.]
"Documents record that the Château de Mayenne, at Mayenne in
north-western France, was given by the Count of Anjou to Hamon de
Mayenne in 1000, but recent restoration work has suggested a much
earlier foundation date. Workmen removing plaster in the medieval core
of the castle revealed brick and stone arcades similar to those found
in Carolingian churches; and radiocarbon dating of charcoal in the
mortar produced dates centred on AD850....The castle stands in the
frontier zone between Normandy, Brittany and Anjou, and for centuries
controlled the north- south route to the Loire. It was beseiged and
taken by William the Conqueror in 1063, and was twice captured by the
English during the Hundred Years War, who held it for 15 years until
1448." [Brit. Arch. #16, July 1996]
"The 9th and 10th centuries were a period of repeated Viking raids in
the area, and the excavators believe the castle was rebuilt in stone as
an `expression of power' to warn off any potential raiders. Lying in
the buffer zone between Normandy, Brittany and Anjou, it was later
besieged by William the Conqueror in 1063." [Brit. Arch. #38, Oct.
1998]
atsarisborn@hotmail.com wrote:
So where IS Mayenne? (Turenne is in Aquitaine or Poitou, I believe).
In the Song of Roland, the wicked Duke Ganhelon of Mayenne who betrays
Roland to the Moors comes, I believe, from Mainz, which was sometimes
called Mayenne in French-speaking medieval sources. This does not mean
there was no Mayenne near Germany -- indeed, it is likely there was,
and the author of the Song of Roland copied the name in "Frenchifying"
Mainz.
Jean Coeur de Lapin
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Denis Beauregard
Re: Mathilde Turenne or Mathilde Mayenne?
On 26 Feb 2006 10:53:06 -0800, atsarisborn@hotmail.com wrote in
soc.genealogy.medieval:
You have Mayenne in the Maine province and Mayence (Mainz) in Germany.
Mayenne is now a departement by the way.
Denis
soc.genealogy.medieval:
So where IS Mayenne? (Turenne is in Aquitaine or Poitou, I believe).
In the Song of Roland, the wicked Duke Ganhelon of Mayenne who betrays
Roland to the Moors comes, I believe, from Mainz, which was sometimes
called Mayenne in French-speaking medieval sources. This does not mean
there was no Mayenne near Germany -- indeed, it is likely there was,
and the author of the Song of Roland copied the name in "Frenchifying"
Mainz.
You have Mayenne in the Maine province and Mayence (Mainz) in Germany.
Mayenne is now a departement by the way.
Denis