Sir John Burdet's wife, Arderne or Fitton?

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Sir John Burdet's wife, Arderne or Fitton?

Legg inn av Gjest » 20 feb 2006 20:08:04

Hi group. I have Sir John Burdet b abt 1343 in Huncote, Warwickshire
married to Katherine Arderne daughter of Sir John Arderne and Ellen de
Wastneys with their daughter Elizabeth b abt 1385 m Sir Humphrey
Stafford, a line I got from Tim Powys-Lybbe's useful site. However
others including Stirnet and Jim Weber give Margaret Fitton as Sir
John's wife and mother of Elizabeth. Has anyone done any work on this
family to verify Elizabeth's actual mother?
I also follow Tim in having Sir John's father as Robert m to Elizabeth
Garshale whereas others have a Robert Burdet m Veale?
Regards

Geoff

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Re: Sir John Burdet's wife, Arderne or Fitton?

Legg inn av Sutliff » 21 feb 2006 03:07:31

I believe Ormerod III:566 makes Katherine daughter of John And Ellen
Wasteneys as wife of a Sir John Burdet. However I believe the same source
lists her as d.s.p. The other wives of Sir John Arderne were Ellen or Alice
de Venables and Joan de Stokeport. Earwaker II:564 makes Margaret de Fitton,
daughter of Thomas de Fitton and Margaret de Legh as wife of John de Burdet
of Huncote by whom Margaret was mother of Elizabeth, wife of Sir Humphrey
Stafford. Whether it is the same John Burdet who was husband of Katherine de
Arderne and Margaret de Fitton seems likely with the former a childless
marriage. Perhaps someone else can tie this together for you.

HS


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Hi group. I have Sir John Burdet b abt 1343 in Huncote, Warwickshire
married to Katherine Arderne daughter of Sir John Arderne and Ellen de
Wastneys with their daughter Elizabeth b abt 1385 m Sir Humphrey
Stafford, a line I got from Tim Powys-Lybbe's useful site. However
others including Stirnet and Jim Weber give Margaret Fitton as Sir
John's wife and mother of Elizabeth. Has anyone done any work on this
family to verify Elizabeth's actual mother?
I also follow Tim in having Sir John's father as Robert m to Elizabeth
Garshale whereas others have a Robert Burdet m Veale?
Regards

Geoff

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Re: Sir John Burdet's wife, Arderne or Fitton?

Legg inn av Gjest » 22 feb 2006 04:48:06

I discovered an interesting item in Nichols' Leicestershire. Under
"East Goscote" (v 3 p 351) there is a chart pedigree of the Burdet
family. Robert Burdet, who m. Elizabeth Garshall, is the last named of
his branch. His brother Sir Gerard Burdet (d. 1359/60) m. Eleanor
Devaille and they had a son Sir John Burdet (oc 1370/1, 1378/9), who m.
Margaret, da and h of Thomas Fitton, of Gosworth, co Chester. This is
repeated by Sir William Betham in his "Baronetage of England" and
Thomas Wotton in his "English Baronetage."

Robert Burdet's line is given under "Huncote" (v 4 p 820), where no
wife is given to Sir John (1397,1400), the father of Elizabeth, wife of
Sir Humphrey Stafford. However, two generations, both Roberts, are
inserted between Robert, husband of Elizabeth Garshall, and Sir John,
father of Elizabeth. No wife given for Sir John.

Gjest

Re: Sir John Burdet's wife, Arderne or Fitton?

Legg inn av Gjest » 22 feb 2006 04:59:36

I think I have solved the mystery here. In Nichols' Leicestershire,
under "East Goscote" (v 3 p 351) there is a chart pedigree of the
Burdet family. Robert Burdet, who m. Elizabeth Garshall, is the last
named of his branch. His brother Sir Gerard Burdet (d. 1359/60) m.
Eleanor Devaille (Veale in some sources) and they had a son Sir John
Burdet (oc 1370/1, 1378/9), who m. Margaret, da and h of Thomas Fitton,
of Gosworth, co Chester. This is repeated by Sir William Betham in his
"Baronetage of England" and Thomas Wotton in his "English Baronetage."

Nichols gives Robert Burdet's line under "Huncote" (v 4 p 820), but no
wife is named for Sir John (1397,1400), the father of Elizabeth, wife
of Sir Humphrey Stafford. However, two generations, both Roberts, are
inserted between Robert, husband of Elizabeth Garshall, and Sir John,
father of Elizabeth. I believe these extra generations are errors.

Roskell gives only one wife for Sir John, and that is Katherine, da of
Sir John Ardern of Aldford, Cheshire by his 3rd wife Ellen Wastneys.
Note #1 says, "He has been distinguished from his cousin Sir John
Burdet of Arrow (c. 1347-1380): CIPM, xii, 296. Roskell also says he
was son of Robert B. and his wife Elizabeth Garshill.

Looks to me like it all fits now that we have two cousins both named
Sir John Burdet.

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