Glemham, Phelip, Erpingham and Reppes: Chronology and Clarif

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Matthew Hovius

Glemham, Phelip, Erpingham and Reppes: Chronology and Clarif

Legg inn av Matthew Hovius » 19 feb 2006 23:41:13

For the last few months I have sought better to document the early
Glemhams of Suffolk and in particular their relationship to the Phelip
and Erpingham families, through Rose Phelip. Little is to be found
online regarding them, save the relationships shown by the 1561
Visitation of Suffolk. As I went along, I've added references to each
individual from the Patent Rolls (Thanks to Dr Boynton's online
version), A2A, PROCAT, the Feet of Fines for Suffolk and even one or
two from the Papal Letters, parts of which are now available through
Google Books. I was also able to save and piece together four pages of
a book titled 'The History of an East Anglian Soke' before it was
removed from Google Books altogether.

At this point I would welcome additions and corrections, and I have
made the entire database available through Worldconnect:

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bi ... 1&id=I1487

I felt it better to post it there than to fill the Newsgroup with, for
example, lengthy entries from the Patent Rolls.

A few observations:

1) The Phelip genealogy, what little of it that there is, seems to be a
most frequently botched pedigree. Book after book erroneously knights
the father of Lord Bardolph, or makes that father a non-existent Sir
John Phelip.

2) The fact that Julian de Erpingham's son William Phelip, Lord
Bardolph, was heir to Sir Thomas Erpingham KG has resulted in a
widespread perception that Julian was his daughter; I don't believe
that to be the case. As I explain in the notes to Sir John de Erpingham
in the database, I feel that the correct Erpingham descent is most
likely as follows:


Sir Robert de Erpingham (+1370)
+ Agnes ______
|
|
|
Sir John de Erpingham (+1370)
+ ------
__________________|_________________
| | |
| | |
Robert Sir Thomas, KG Julian
(+1370) (+1428) m. William Phelip
d.s.p. d.s.p. the elder
|
|
____________|___________
| | |
Sir Sir Rose
John William Phelip
Phelip Phelip KG, m.
(d.s.p.) Lord John
Bardolph Glemham

3) The Visitation of Suffolk does not record a John Glemham whose wife
was named Margaret. So who is the referred to in this document from
PROCAT? Perhaps a second wife of John Glemham (II), whom he married
after the death of Eleanor Brandon?

'C 1/312/80 John Glemham, of Little Glemham, esquire, son of John
Glemham. v. John Wodhous and Margaret, his wife, late the wife of John
Glemham, the father.: Detention of deeds relating to the manor of
Farnham.: Suffolk. 1500-1515'

4) The Glemhams first begin appearing frequently in Commissions,
Enfeoffments and other records during the life of John (I), perhaps
thanks to patronage of his Phelip father-in-law. Given the absence of
any mention of a John Glemham in the Patent Rolls or documents
catalogued between 1418 and 1433, I feel that John (I) probably died
around 1418. But it is striking that neither his son nor grandson seem
to have featured half so prominently in the affairs of the day, at
least given the few references that I find to them. Can anyone provide
later references from post-1452 Patent Rolls or other sources?

5) The book mentioned above, 'History of an East Anglian Soke', went
into great detail regarding the Reppes family of Norfolk, and stated
that a Beatrix de Reppes was the wife of John de Erpingham. I have
tentatively added Beatrix as the wife of the earlier John (d. <1321),
because original documents in the Norfolk Record Office prove that this
John did in fact have a wife named Beatrix. The author, however, cites
Blomefield, VIII:150 as her source for this; at a minimum, as I explain
in the entry for Beatrix, I feel she may have mixed up two John de
Reppes', unless Sir John de Reppes (+1373) lived more than 100 years,
so I am uncertain about Beatrix' exact place in the Reppes line. The
text of that reference from Blomefield, any other Reppes sources, or
additions to any of the persons named in the database will be much
appreciated.

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