I am deeply indebted to Annette Hudleston Harwood for sharing her
collection of primary to Lawrence de Cornwall, ancestral to the
Hudleston family of Millom, Cumberland.
Annette has confirmed that the late C. Roy Hudleston has posited that
Lawrence was an illegitimate son of Richard, Earl of Cornwall and King
of the Romans (1209-1272).
The evidence she has collected includes:
- Lawrence, son of Richard of Cornwall, knight, confirmed grant to St.
Agatha's Abbey (Easby) of land in Barton, 1271 (VCH Yorks, N Riding,
Vol 1, p 150 sub Barton). Richard, Earl of Cornwall had previously
been granted land including Barton by Henry III; Lawrence FitzRichard's
lands at Barton subsequently passed to the Hudlestons.
- The Records of Kendal, Vols 1 and 2 show that Sir Lawrence
FitzRichard was a knight of William de Lancaster (died 1246), being
present at the latter's death-bed according to his IPM. He appears as
a witness to Lancaster charters by 1246. Interestingly, one document
refers to him thus:
"William de Arundel (sic) gave to Laurence son of Richard, his kinsman
(cognatus )... the service of Ingram de Santon... to hold by doing the
20th part of a knight's fee to the grantor or his heirs" [Vol 2, p 419]
[NB This is the quote Annette gave me; it is unclear whether William de
Lancaster is intended - MAR]
Lawrence was granted lands at Ulverston by William de Lancaster, in
which he was succeeded by his son, Robert (both Lawrence and Robert
were also referred to as de Kirkby, as they held lands at Kirkby
Ireleth, Lancs).
His connection with William de Lancaster is underlined by his apparent
assumption of arms. Whereas de Lancaster bore: argent, two bars gules
and on a canton gules a leopard or.
According to Hudleston & Boumphrey, Lawrence bore: argent, two bars
gules and on a canton gules a cross moline or [Cumberland Families &
Heraldry, p 192 sub Kirkby].
Chronologically, it seems possible that Richard of Cornwall, born
January 1209, could have fathered an illegitimate son old enough to
have served in a noble household by 1246, by which time he could have
been approaching 20 years of age.
Lawrence was living in 1274 but dead by 1285.
Thanks again to Annette for kindly sharing her considerable research in
this field.
MAR
Lawrence de Cornwall of Ulverston, Cumbria: a Plantagenet an
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Brad Verity
Re: Lawrence de Cornwall of Ulverston, Cumbria: a Plantagene
Dear Michael,
Good show to both you and Annette for continuing the research of her
cousin, antiquarian and genealogist C. Roy Hudleston. C. Roy, by the
way, in addition to authoring several articles for Transactions of the
Cumberland and Westmorland Antiquarian & Archaelogical Society, also
was the author (with help from Annette's grandfather Ferdinand) of the
Hudleston of Hutton John pedigree in Burke's Landed Gentry, Vol. 2
(1969).
Annette has been very kind and informative with me offlist this past
week in sharing her extensive information on the Hudlestons. I'm
making a Library trip into Los Angeles tomorrow to track down a long
list of sources needed. I hope to get a pedigree of the Huddlestons
posted to the newsgroup later this week.
I'm not well read up on Richard, earl of Cornwall, but I recall reading
somewhere he had some illegitimate children. One of them could very
well have been Lawrence de Cornwall of Ulverston, Cumberland. It seems
the best way to explain the surname. I can't imagine a migration of
knights from Cornwall into Cumberland in the thirteenth century - what
a culture shock that would be!
Cheers, ----------Brad
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
Good show to both you and Annette for continuing the research of her
cousin, antiquarian and genealogist C. Roy Hudleston. C. Roy, by the
way, in addition to authoring several articles for Transactions of the
Cumberland and Westmorland Antiquarian & Archaelogical Society, also
was the author (with help from Annette's grandfather Ferdinand) of the
Hudleston of Hutton John pedigree in Burke's Landed Gentry, Vol. 2
(1969).
Annette has been very kind and informative with me offlist this past
week in sharing her extensive information on the Hudlestons. I'm
making a Library trip into Los Angeles tomorrow to track down a long
list of sources needed. I hope to get a pedigree of the Huddlestons
posted to the newsgroup later this week.
I'm not well read up on Richard, earl of Cornwall, but I recall reading
somewhere he had some illegitimate children. One of them could very
well have been Lawrence de Cornwall of Ulverston, Cumberland. It seems
the best way to explain the surname. I can't imagine a migration of
knights from Cornwall into Cumberland in the thirteenth century - what
a culture shock that would be!
Cheers, ----------Brad
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
I am deeply indebted to Annette Hudleston Harwood for sharing her
collection of primary to Lawrence de Cornwall, ancestral to the
Hudleston family of Millom, Cumberland.
Annette has confirmed that the late C. Roy Hudleston has posited that
Lawrence was an illegitimate son of Richard, Earl of Cornwall and King
of the Romans (1209-1272).
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Alianore
Re: Lawrence de Cornwall of Ulverston, Cumbria: a Plantagene
Ulverston was in Lancashire, not Cumberland!
It's in modern-day
Cumbria. But I'd also wondered how a knight of Cornwall ended up so
far from home!
Cumbria. But I'd also wondered how a knight of Cornwall ended up so
far from home!
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Gjest
Re: Lawrence de Cornwall of Ulverston, Cumbria: a Plantagene
Brad Verity wrote:
from Cornwall- although the fact that Penruddock is a Cumbrian place
name would rather undermine that!
Robert Battle has done a lot of work on earl Richard's known
illegitimate issue- see
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... rnwall.htm
-the possible addition of Laurence is certainly very interesting.
I'm not well read up on Richard, earl of Cornwall, but I recall reading
somewhere he had some illegitimate children. One of them could very
well have been Lawrence de Cornwall of Ulverston, Cumberland. It seems
the best way to explain the surname. I can't imagine a migration of
knights from Cornwall into Cumberland in the thirteenth century - what
a culture shock that would be!
I'm sure I've seen somewhere the claim that the Penruddock family came
from Cornwall- although the fact that Penruddock is a Cumbrian place
name would rather undermine that!
Robert Battle has done a lot of work on earl Richard's known
illegitimate issue- see
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... rnwall.htm
-the possible addition of Laurence is certainly very interesting.
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Gjest
Re: Lawrence de Cornwall of Ulverston, Cumbria: a Plantagene
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
I think that the above reference to Lawrence FitzRichard de Cornwall's
arms is based on heraldy at Hutton John, one of the Hudleston seats.
However, it appears to be contradicted by the entry for Sir Lawrence de
Cornwall in The Knights of Edward I (Harl. Soc. Pub.). It may be that
Sir Lawrence experimented with more than one coat. Alternatively, I
wonder whether the de Kirkby arms described by C. Roy Hudleston
actually relate to another family of the same name - there were two or
three contemporary families called de Kirkby from the same town, it
would appear from a quick review of documents on PROCAT.
In Knights of Edward I, "Sir Lawrence de Cornewaylle" is assigned arms:
"d'argent a une croys patee de sable besaunte d'or"; he is said to be
of Westmorland & Lancs, and the Parliamentary Roll is cited.
Sir Walter de Cornwall, a known illegitimate son of Richard, King of
the Romans [he was described as brother of Richard's son Edmund, Earl
of Cornwall, in a contemporary document] is said to have born the same
arms: "de argent a une crois de sable besaunte de or". The
Parliamentary Roll (Cornwall & Devon) is again cited.
Richard of Cornwall himself bore "argent, a lion rampant crowned and
double queued, a bordure sable, bezanty".
This would appear to give considerable extra credence to the
supposition that Lawrence was Richard of Cornwall's son.
MAR
Annette has confirmed that the late C. Roy Hudleston posited that
Lawrence was an illegitimate son of Richard, Earl of Cornwall and King
of the Romans (1209-1272).
His connection with William de Lancaster is underlined by his apparent
assumption of arms. Whereas de Lancaster bore: argent, two bars gules
and on a canton gules a leopard or, according to Hudleston & Boumphrey
Lawrence bore: argent, two bars gules and on a canton gules a cross
moline or [Cumberland Families & Heraldry, p 192 sub Kirkby].
I think that the above reference to Lawrence FitzRichard de Cornwall's
arms is based on heraldy at Hutton John, one of the Hudleston seats.
However, it appears to be contradicted by the entry for Sir Lawrence de
Cornwall in The Knights of Edward I (Harl. Soc. Pub.). It may be that
Sir Lawrence experimented with more than one coat. Alternatively, I
wonder whether the de Kirkby arms described by C. Roy Hudleston
actually relate to another family of the same name - there were two or
three contemporary families called de Kirkby from the same town, it
would appear from a quick review of documents on PROCAT.
In Knights of Edward I, "Sir Lawrence de Cornewaylle" is assigned arms:
"d'argent a une croys patee de sable besaunte d'or"; he is said to be
of Westmorland & Lancs, and the Parliamentary Roll is cited.
Sir Walter de Cornwall, a known illegitimate son of Richard, King of
the Romans [he was described as brother of Richard's son Edmund, Earl
of Cornwall, in a contemporary document] is said to have born the same
arms: "de argent a une crois de sable besaunte de or". The
Parliamentary Roll (Cornwall & Devon) is again cited.
Richard of Cornwall himself bore "argent, a lion rampant crowned and
double queued, a bordure sable, bezanty".
This would appear to give considerable extra credence to the
supposition that Lawrence was Richard of Cornwall's son.
MAR
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Chris Dickinson
Re: Lawrence de Cornwall of Ulverston, Cumbria: a Plantagene
Brad Verity wrote:
<snip>
Maybe a weather shock!
There was a migration of miners from Cornwall into Cumberland in the
nineteenth century - in that light, an earlier knightly invasion isn't so
improbable.
Chris
<snip>
I can't imagine a migration of knights from Cornwall into Cumberland in the
thirteenth century - what a culture shock that would be!
snip
Maybe a weather shock!
There was a migration of miners from Cornwall into Cumberland in the
nineteenth century - in that light, an earlier knightly invasion isn't so
improbable.
Chris