Source Request: Huddlestons of Millom Castle
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Brad Verity
Source Request: Huddlestons of Millom Castle
Can anyone point me to a good source for the family of Huddleston of
Millom Castle? I'm interested particularly in the 15th and 16th
centuries for this family. There is no pedigree of them on either the
Tudor Place or Stirnet websites, nor is there a pedigree in the 1563
Visitation of Yorkshire.
The Huddlestons made very advantageous marriages into the Nevill family
in the mid-to-late 15th century. It appears to have started with Sir
Richard Huddleston, KB, heir to Millom Castle, who married about 1465,
Margaret, the illegitimate daughter of Richard Nevill 'The Kingmaker'.
Two of Sir Richard's younger brothers then married first cousins of his
wife: Sir John Huddleston married (as his first wife) Joan Fitzhugh,
niece of the Kingmaker, and William Huddleston married Isabel Nevill,
daughter of the Marquess Montagu, another niece of The Kingmaker.
And a Richard Huddleston of Westhall in Whittington, Lancashire,
married Alice Tunstall, granddaughter of George Nevill, archbishop of
York, and so a great-niece of The Kingmaker. But I'm not certain how
the Huddlestons of Westhall fit into the Millom Castle family.
Any sources on this family that anyone can point me to, I'd much
appreciate.
Cheers, --------Brad
Millom Castle? I'm interested particularly in the 15th and 16th
centuries for this family. There is no pedigree of them on either the
Tudor Place or Stirnet websites, nor is there a pedigree in the 1563
Visitation of Yorkshire.
The Huddlestons made very advantageous marriages into the Nevill family
in the mid-to-late 15th century. It appears to have started with Sir
Richard Huddleston, KB, heir to Millom Castle, who married about 1465,
Margaret, the illegitimate daughter of Richard Nevill 'The Kingmaker'.
Two of Sir Richard's younger brothers then married first cousins of his
wife: Sir John Huddleston married (as his first wife) Joan Fitzhugh,
niece of the Kingmaker, and William Huddleston married Isabel Nevill,
daughter of the Marquess Montagu, another niece of The Kingmaker.
And a Richard Huddleston of Westhall in Whittington, Lancashire,
married Alice Tunstall, granddaughter of George Nevill, archbishop of
York, and so a great-niece of The Kingmaker. But I'm not certain how
the Huddlestons of Westhall fit into the Millom Castle family.
Any sources on this family that anyone can point me to, I'd much
appreciate.
Cheers, --------Brad
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John Brandon
Re: Source Request: Huddlestons of Millom Castle
I'm thinking there would be something in Nicholson and Burn's _History
& Antiquities of
Westmorland_ ...
& Antiquities of
Westmorland_ ...
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Gjest
Re: Source Request: Huddlestons of Millom Castle
Brad Verity schrieb:
Brad
I have a good deal of information on this family - there should be a
couple of references to them in the Archives. They are ancestral to
the Docwras of Hertfordshire and Cambridgeshire.
As it happens, I am corresponding with Annette Hudleston Harwood who is
an authority on the subject; in particular we are looking at the
question of whether the family has a descent from Richard, Earl of
Cornwall, the younger son of King John. I shall see whether Annette
would be able to join a discussion here. I'll try to dig out what I
have and post it asap in any case.
Regards
Michael
Can anyone point me to a good source for the family of Huddleston of
Millom Castle? I'm interested particularly in the 15th and 16th
centuries for this family.
Brad
I have a good deal of information on this family - there should be a
couple of references to them in the Archives. They are ancestral to
the Docwras of Hertfordshire and Cambridgeshire.
As it happens, I am corresponding with Annette Hudleston Harwood who is
an authority on the subject; in particular we are looking at the
question of whether the family has a descent from Richard, Earl of
Cornwall, the younger son of King John. I shall see whether Annette
would be able to join a discussion here. I'll try to dig out what I
have and post it asap in any case.
Regards
Michael
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John Higgins
Re: Source Request: Huddlestons of Millom Castle
There is a pedigree of the family of Hudleston [sic] of Millom, as well as
the branch in Sawston, Cambridgeshire, in Joseph Foster's edition of the
visitations of Cumberland and Westmorland. Various parts of the family were
covered at times in Burke's Landed Gentry at considerable length, but I have
a note in my files that the BLG pedigree disagrees with the visitation
pedigree in the early generations. In this case, I suspect that BLG may be
right (although it overlooks the FitzHugh marriage that Brad mentions
below).
There are a considerable number of citations for the family in both
Marshall's and Whitmore's Genealogical Guides, including one to Nicholson
and Burns' Cumberland and Westmorland that John Brandon suggested in a
separate post.
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From: "Brad Verity" <royaldescent@hotmail.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: Source Request: Huddlestons of Millom Castle
the branch in Sawston, Cambridgeshire, in Joseph Foster's edition of the
visitations of Cumberland and Westmorland. Various parts of the family were
covered at times in Burke's Landed Gentry at considerable length, but I have
a note in my files that the BLG pedigree disagrees with the visitation
pedigree in the early generations. In this case, I suspect that BLG may be
right (although it overlooks the FitzHugh marriage that Brad mentions
below).
There are a considerable number of citations for the family in both
Marshall's and Whitmore's Genealogical Guides, including one to Nicholson
and Burns' Cumberland and Westmorland that John Brandon suggested in a
separate post.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Verity" <royaldescent@hotmail.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: Source Request: Huddlestons of Millom Castle
Can anyone point me to a good source for the family of Huddleston of
Millom Castle? I'm interested particularly in the 15th and 16th
centuries for this family. There is no pedigree of them on either the
Tudor Place or Stirnet websites, nor is there a pedigree in the 1563
Visitation of Yorkshire.
The Huddlestons made very advantageous marriages into the Nevill family
in the mid-to-late 15th century. It appears to have started with Sir
Richard Huddleston, KB, heir to Millom Castle, who married about 1465,
Margaret, the illegitimate daughter of Richard Nevill 'The Kingmaker'.
Two of Sir Richard's younger brothers then married first cousins of his
wife: Sir John Huddleston married (as his first wife) Joan Fitzhugh,
niece of the Kingmaker, and William Huddleston married Isabel Nevill,
daughter of the Marquess Montagu, another niece of The Kingmaker.
And a Richard Huddleston of Westhall in Whittington, Lancashire,
married Alice Tunstall, granddaughter of George Nevill, archbishop of
York, and so a great-niece of The Kingmaker. But I'm not certain how
the Huddlestons of Westhall fit into the Millom Castle family.
Any sources on this family that anyone can point me to, I'd much
appreciate.
Cheers, --------Brad
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Brad Verity
Re: Source Request: Huddlestons of Millom Castle
Dear Michael, John and John,
Thank you for the references. The UCLA Library has the Nicholson &
Burns volumes, so I've definitely added that to my List.
Unfortunately, the Library doesn't have Joseph Foster's Visitation of
Cumberland & Westmorland, but I'll at least be able to easily find
Burke's LG.
Two more sources I hope to track down:
1) 'Millom Families Part II' by C. Roy Huddleston in 'Transactions of
the Cumberland and Westmorland Antiquarian and Archaeological Society',
Volume XCIII (1993).
2) DX882 "The Genealogie of the Most Ancient and Right Worshipfull
and Honourable Family of Hudleston alias Hodeleston Originally of
Hudleston Hall in Yorkshire and of Milham in the County of Cumberland
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
That would be great. I used her 'The Lines of English Hudlestons' as
well as her posts on Hudleston Family Message Boards as a source.
http://www.huddleston.bravepages.com/history/lines.html
It was one of her posts that was my source for a first marriage of Sir
John Huddleston (d. 1512) to Joan, daughter of Henry, Lord Fitzhugh &
Alice Nevill.
Looking forward to it!
Thanks and Cheers, ---------Brad
Thank you for the references. The UCLA Library has the Nicholson &
Burns volumes, so I've definitely added that to my List.
Unfortunately, the Library doesn't have Joseph Foster's Visitation of
Cumberland & Westmorland, but I'll at least be able to easily find
Burke's LG.
Two more sources I hope to track down:
1) 'Millom Families Part II' by C. Roy Huddleston in 'Transactions of
the Cumberland and Westmorland Antiquarian and Archaeological Society',
Volume XCIII (1993).
2) DX882 "The Genealogie of the Most Ancient and Right Worshipfull
and Honourable Family of Hudleston alias Hodeleston Originally of
Hudleston Hall in Yorkshire and of Milham in the County of Cumberland
From the Time of King Henry the Third to the Present Reign" in the Tyne
and Wear Archives in Newcastle.
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
As it happens, I am corresponding with Annette Hudleston Harwood who is
an authority on the subject; in particular we are looking at the
question of whether the family has a descent from Richard, Earl of
Cornwall, the younger son of King John. I shall see whether Annette
would be able to join a discussion here.
That would be great. I used her 'The Lines of English Hudlestons' as
well as her posts on Hudleston Family Message Boards as a source.
http://www.huddleston.bravepages.com/history/lines.html
It was one of her posts that was my source for a first marriage of Sir
John Huddleston (d. 1512) to Joan, daughter of Henry, Lord Fitzhugh &
Alice Nevill.
I'll try to dig out what I
have and post it asap in any case.
Looking forward to it!
Thanks and Cheers, ---------Brad
-
Gjest
Re: Source Request: Huddlestons of Millom Castle
"John Higgins" schrieb:
The Visitation of Cambridgeshire has this pedigree for the Sawston
branch (it omits a couple of generations):
1. John Hudleston
2. Richard Hudleston
3. John Hudleston, 11 E3
4. John Hudleston, married Catherine
5. Richard Hudleston, 24 H6; married Mary dau of Sir John Freeston
6. John Hudleston, married Anne dau of Sir Wm Tempest
7. Richard Hudleston, Lord of Milholme, Cumb; married Elizabeth dau of
Humfrey, Lord Dacres (sic)
8a. Sir Richard Hudleston of Milholme, married Margaret dau of Rd
Nevill E of Warwick
8b. Sir John Hudleston ob 3 H8; married dau of Hugh, Lord FitzHugh
******************
Nicolson & Burns, vol ii, offers the following (also, it apppears,
defective):
1. Sir John Hudleston married Joan, daughter & heir of Adam de Boyvill
2a. John Hudleston, unmarried
2b. Sir Richard Hudleston, summoned to Westminster 9.5.1324; married 13
Ed II Alice, dau of Richard Troughton, ff 1334-7
3. Sir John Hudleston, married Maud dau of Sir Wm de Pennington
4. John Hudleston, married Catherine dau of Richard Tempest of Bowling,
Yorks [a manifest anachronism]
5. Richard Hudleston, married Anne dau & coh of Henry Fenwick of
Fenwick
6. Sir Richard Hudleston, Kt Banneret, at Agincourt 1415; married
Margaret (sic) sister of Sir William Harrington KG
7. Sir John Hudleston, MP for Cumberland 7 Ed IV
*****************
This is the link for the line from Burke's, which Annette has on her
website:
http://huddleston.bravepages.com/history/lines.html
Regards
MAR
There is a pedigree of the family of Hudleston [sic] of Millom, as well as
the branch in Sawston, Cambridgeshire, in Joseph Foster's edition of the
visitations of Cumberland and Westmorland. Various parts of the family were
covered at times in Burke's Landed Gentry at considerable length, but I have
a note in my files that the BLG pedigree disagrees with the visitation
pedigree in the early generations. In this case, I suspect that BLG may be
right (although it overlooks the FitzHugh marriage that Brad mentions
below).
The Visitation of Cambridgeshire has this pedigree for the Sawston
branch (it omits a couple of generations):
1. John Hudleston
2. Richard Hudleston
3. John Hudleston, 11 E3
4. John Hudleston, married Catherine
5. Richard Hudleston, 24 H6; married Mary dau of Sir John Freeston
6. John Hudleston, married Anne dau of Sir Wm Tempest
7. Richard Hudleston, Lord of Milholme, Cumb; married Elizabeth dau of
Humfrey, Lord Dacres (sic)
8a. Sir Richard Hudleston of Milholme, married Margaret dau of Rd
Nevill E of Warwick
8b. Sir John Hudleston ob 3 H8; married dau of Hugh, Lord FitzHugh
******************
Nicolson & Burns, vol ii, offers the following (also, it apppears,
defective):
1. Sir John Hudleston married Joan, daughter & heir of Adam de Boyvill
2a. John Hudleston, unmarried
2b. Sir Richard Hudleston, summoned to Westminster 9.5.1324; married 13
Ed II Alice, dau of Richard Troughton, ff 1334-7
3. Sir John Hudleston, married Maud dau of Sir Wm de Pennington
4. John Hudleston, married Catherine dau of Richard Tempest of Bowling,
Yorks [a manifest anachronism]
5. Richard Hudleston, married Anne dau & coh of Henry Fenwick of
Fenwick
6. Sir Richard Hudleston, Kt Banneret, at Agincourt 1415; married
Margaret (sic) sister of Sir William Harrington KG
7. Sir John Hudleston, MP for Cumberland 7 Ed IV
*****************
This is the link for the line from Burke's, which Annette has on her
website:
http://huddleston.bravepages.com/history/lines.html
Regards
MAR
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Source Request: Huddlestons of Millom Castle
Brad Verity wrote:
Dear Brad ~
There are pedigrees of the Huddleston family in the following two
sources:
1. Hutchinson, Hist. of Cumberland 1 (1794): 528 (Huddleston pedigree).
2. Jackson, Papers and Peds. Mainly Rel. Cumberland and Westmorland 2
(1892): 120-136, foldout pedigree.
DR
Can anyone point me to a good source for the family of Huddleston of
Millom Castle? I'm interested particularly in the 15th and 16th
centuries for this family. There is no pedigree of them on either the
Tudor Place or Stirnet websites, nor is there a pedigree in the 1563
Visitation of Yorkshire.
Cheers, --------Brad
Dear Brad ~
There are pedigrees of the Huddleston family in the following two
sources:
1. Hutchinson, Hist. of Cumberland 1 (1794): 528 (Huddleston pedigree).
2. Jackson, Papers and Peds. Mainly Rel. Cumberland and Westmorland 2
(1892): 120-136, foldout pedigree.
DR
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Merilyn Pedrick
Re: Source Request: Huddlestons of Millom Castle
I have a Katherine Huddlestone who married John Machell of Crackenthorpe,
Westmorland.
The note I have for John Machell says "Henry VI was sheltered by this John
Machell of Crackenthorpe after the battle of Hexham in 1465".
Any ideas on where she might have sprung from?
Merilyn Pedrick
Aldgate, South Australia
-------Original Message-------
From: mjcar@btinternet.com
Date: 02/07/06 09:35:12
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Source Request: Huddlestons of Millom Castle
"John Higgins" schrieb:
The Visitation of Cambridgeshire has this pedigree for the Sawston
branch (it omits a couple of generations):
1. John Hudleston
2. Richard Hudleston
3. John Hudleston, 11 E3
4. John Hudleston, married Catherine
5. Richard Hudleston, 24 H6; married Mary dau of Sir John Freeston
6. John Hudleston, married Anne dau of Sir Wm Tempest
7. Richard Hudleston, Lord of Milholme, Cumb; married Elizabeth dau of
Humfrey, Lord Dacres (sic)
8a. Sir Richard Hudleston of Milholme, married Margaret dau of Rd
Nevill E of Warwick
8b. Sir John Hudleston ob 3 H8; married dau of Hugh, Lord FitzHugh
******************
Nicolson & Burns, vol ii, offers the following (also, it apppears,
defective):
1. Sir John Hudleston married Joan, daughter & heir of Adam de Boyvill
2a. John Hudleston, unmarried
2b. Sir Richard Hudleston, summoned to Westminster 9.5.1324; married 13
Ed II Alice, dau of Richard Troughton, ff 1334-7
3. Sir John Hudleston, married Maud dau of Sir Wm de Pennington
4. John Hudleston, married Catherine dau of Richard Tempest of Bowling,
Yorks [a manifest anachronism]
5. Richard Hudleston, married Anne dau & coh of Henry Fenwick of
Fenwick
6. Sir Richard Hudleston, Kt Banneret, at Agincourt 1415; married
Margaret (sic) sister of Sir William Harrington KG
7. Sir John Hudleston, MP for Cumberland 7 Ed IV
*****************
This is the link for the line from Burke's, which Annette has on her
website:
http://huddleston.bravepages.com/history/lines.html
Regards
MAR
Westmorland.
The note I have for John Machell says "Henry VI was sheltered by this John
Machell of Crackenthorpe after the battle of Hexham in 1465".
Any ideas on where she might have sprung from?
Merilyn Pedrick
Aldgate, South Australia
-------Original Message-------
From: mjcar@btinternet.com
Date: 02/07/06 09:35:12
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Source Request: Huddlestons of Millom Castle
"John Higgins" schrieb:
There is a pedigree of the family of Hudleston [sic] of Millom, as well as
the branch in Sawston, Cambridgeshire, in Joseph Foster's edition of the
visitations of Cumberland and Westmorland. Various parts of the family
were
covered at times in Burke's Landed Gentry at considerable length, but I
have
a note in my files that the BLG pedigree disagrees with the visitation
pedigree in the early generations. In this case, I suspect that BLG may
be
right (although it overlooks the FitzHugh marriage that Brad mentions
below).
The Visitation of Cambridgeshire has this pedigree for the Sawston
branch (it omits a couple of generations):
1. John Hudleston
2. Richard Hudleston
3. John Hudleston, 11 E3
4. John Hudleston, married Catherine
5. Richard Hudleston, 24 H6; married Mary dau of Sir John Freeston
6. John Hudleston, married Anne dau of Sir Wm Tempest
7. Richard Hudleston, Lord of Milholme, Cumb; married Elizabeth dau of
Humfrey, Lord Dacres (sic)
8a. Sir Richard Hudleston of Milholme, married Margaret dau of Rd
Nevill E of Warwick
8b. Sir John Hudleston ob 3 H8; married dau of Hugh, Lord FitzHugh
******************
Nicolson & Burns, vol ii, offers the following (also, it apppears,
defective):
1. Sir John Hudleston married Joan, daughter & heir of Adam de Boyvill
2a. John Hudleston, unmarried
2b. Sir Richard Hudleston, summoned to Westminster 9.5.1324; married 13
Ed II Alice, dau of Richard Troughton, ff 1334-7
3. Sir John Hudleston, married Maud dau of Sir Wm de Pennington
4. John Hudleston, married Catherine dau of Richard Tempest of Bowling,
Yorks [a manifest anachronism]
5. Richard Hudleston, married Anne dau & coh of Henry Fenwick of
Fenwick
6. Sir Richard Hudleston, Kt Banneret, at Agincourt 1415; married
Margaret (sic) sister of Sir William Harrington KG
7. Sir John Hudleston, MP for Cumberland 7 Ed IV
*****************
This is the link for the line from Burke's, which Annette has on her
website:
http://huddleston.bravepages.com/history/lines.html
Regards
MAR
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Brad Verity
Re: Source Request: Huddlestons of Millom Castle
Douglas Richardson wrote:
Thanks, Douglas. I've added these to my UCLA Library list.
Cheers, ------Brad
There are pedigrees of the Huddleston family in the following two
sources:
1. Hutchinson, Hist. of Cumberland 1 (1794): 528 (Huddleston pedigree).
2. Jackson, Papers and Peds. Mainly Rel. Cumberland and Westmorland 2
(1892): 120-136, foldout pedigree.
Thanks, Douglas. I've added these to my UCLA Library list.
Cheers, ------Brad
-
Mark B
Re: Source Request: Huddlestons of Millom Castle
Other articles from the CWAAS Transactions may be of
interest if you're able to track them down:
H.S. Cowper, "Millom Castle and the Hudlestons," CWAAS
Transactions, N.S. 24 (1924), 181-234.
H. Swainson Cowper, "Notes on the Hudleston Monuments
and Heraldry at Millom," CWAAS Transactions O.S. 12
(1893), 132-135.
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interest if you're able to track them down:
H.S. Cowper, "Millom Castle and the Hudlestons," CWAAS
Transactions, N.S. 24 (1924), 181-234.
H. Swainson Cowper, "Notes on the Hudleston Monuments
and Heraldry at Millom," CWAAS Transactions O.S. 12
(1893), 132-135.
--- Brad Verity <royaldescent@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Michael, John and John,
Thank you for the references. The UCLA Library has
the Nicholson &
Burns volumes, so I've definitely added that to my
List.
Unfortunately, the Library doesn't have Joseph
Foster's Visitation of
Cumberland & Westmorland, but I'll at least be able
to easily find
Burke's LG.
Two more sources I hope to track down:
1) 'Millom Families Part II' by C. Roy Huddleston in
'Transactions of
the Cumberland and Westmorland Antiquarian and
Archaeological Society',
Volume XCIII (1993).
2) DX882 "The Genealogie of the Most Ancient and
Right Worshipfull
and Honourable Family of Hudleston alias Hodeleston
Originally of
Hudleston Hall in Yorkshire and of Milham in the
County of Cumberland
From the Time of King Henry the Third to the
Present Reign" in the Tyne
and Wear Archives in Newcastle.
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
As it happens, I am corresponding with Annette
Hudleston Harwood who is
an authority on the subject; in particular we are
looking at the
question of whether the family has a descent from
Richard, Earl of
Cornwall, the younger son of King John. I shall
see whether Annette
would be able to join a discussion here.
That would be great. I used her 'The Lines of
English Hudlestons' as
well as her posts on Hudleston Family Message Boards
as a source.
http://www.huddleston.bravepages.com/history/lines.html
It was one of her posts that was my source for a
first marriage of Sir
John Huddleston (d. 1512) to Joan, daughter of
Henry, Lord Fitzhugh &
Alice Nevill.
I'll try to dig out what I
have and post it asap in any case.
Looking forward to it!
Thanks and Cheers,
---------Brad
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Mark B
Re: Source Request: Huddlestons of Millom Castle
--- John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
Yep. Vol. II, p. 9-15. They list 22 generations from
Sir John Huddleston (fl. 20 Ed. I) who married Joan,
daughter of Adam de Boyvill through Elizabeth who
marrid Sir Hedworth Williamson (fl. 1774).
Note: Nicolson & Burn is great for what it is, but it
was written in the 18th century and rarely names
sources, so is uneven and of limited use for earlier
generations.
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I'm thinking there would be something in Nicholson
and Burn's _History
& Antiquities of
Westmorland_ ...
Yep. Vol. II, p. 9-15. They list 22 generations from
Sir John Huddleston (fl. 20 Ed. I) who married Joan,
daughter of Adam de Boyvill through Elizabeth who
marrid Sir Hedworth Williamson (fl. 1774).
Note: Nicolson & Burn is great for what it is, but it
was written in the 18th century and rarely names
sources, so is uneven and of limited use for earlier
generations.
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Brad Verity
Re: Source Request: Huddlestons of Millom Castle
Mark B wrote:
Thanks, Mark. These look great, and the library I use carries the
CWAAS Transactions series (at least until the 1960s).
Cheers, ---------Brad
Other articles from the CWAAS Transactions may be of
interest if you're able to track them down:
H.S. Cowper, "Millom Castle and the Hudlestons," CWAAS
Transactions, N.S. 24 (1924), 181-234.
H. Swainson Cowper, "Notes on the Hudleston Monuments
and Heraldry at Millom," CWAAS Transactions O.S. 12
(1893), 132-135.
Thanks, Mark. These look great, and the library I use carries the
CWAAS Transactions series (at least until the 1960s).
Cheers, ---------Brad