Clifford Confusion: Daughters of the 1st Earl of Cumberland

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Clifford Confusion: Daughters of the 1st Earl of Cumberland

Legg inn av Brad Verity » 06 feb 2006 10:38:42

Per 'The House of Clifford', the daughters of the 1st Earl of
Cumberland and his 2nd wife Margaret Percy were:

1) Catherine (d. 1598), m. 1st, John, 8th Lord Scrope of Bolton; m.
2nd, Sir Richard Cholmley, of Whitby, Yorkshire.
2) Maud, m. John, Lord Conyers of Hornby
3) Elizabeth, m. 1533, Sir Christopher Metcalfe of Nappa
4) Jane, m. Sir John Huddlestone of Millom, Cumberland

Collins' Peerage has the same four, but calls Elizabeth's husband Sir
Richard Metcalf. In the 1563 Visitation of Yorkshire, there are only
three daughters: "Elisabeth=Sir Crystofer Metcalff, Kateryn wyff to
John Lord Scrope of Bolton, Mawde wyff to The Lord Conyers". A
footnote states that the first earl of Cumberland is said to have had
another daughter Jane, wife of Sir John Huddleston of Millom.

CP states that the 1st Earl and Margaret Percy were married about 1516.
She died in 1540 and he died in 1542. In his will, dated April 1542,
Elizabeth is not yet married, so the above 1533 date for her marriage
to Christopher Metcalf has to be incorrect.

The only Sir John Huddleston of Millom Castle, Cumberland appears to be
the son and heir of Sir John Huddleston of Millom and Southam,
Gloucestershire (d. 1 January 1512), and his 2nd wife Joan Stapleton.
He was born about 1488, and died in 1547. He was married to Jane
Seymour, the aunt of Henry VIII's wife Jane Seymour, by whom he had
three sons and one daughter. He also was married to Joyce Prickley of
Worcestershire, by whom he had another two sons and a daughter. His
eldest son and heir Anthony Huddleston was born in 1518. I suppose its
possible he was also married to Joan Clifford, but she would have to be
his second or third wife.

Does anyone know what evidence exists for the existence and marriage of
a daughter of the 1st Earl of Cumberland to a Huddleston of Millom?

Here is chronology for the remaining daughters of the 1st Earl:

1) Catherine Clifford, eldest daughter, married 1st, about 1530, John,
8th Lord Scrope of Bolton (d. 22 June 1549), and was a mother in the
early 1530s. She married 2nd, by 1556, Sir Richard Cholmley of Whitby
(d. 17 May 1583), and died 1598, having had issue by both husbands.
[Note: she likely married Cholmley and had his three children in the
early 1550s, as she would be in her forties after 1556.]

2) Maud Clifford, married before October 1539, John Conyers, 3rd Lord
Conyers (b. 1524, d. June 1557), and had three daughters. Date of
death unknown.

3) Elizabeth Clifford, youngest daughter, married about 1545-50, Sir
Christopher Metcalfe, of Nappa (b. 1 August 1513; d. 9 May 1574),
eldest son and heir of Sir James Metcalfe of Nappa and Margaret Pigot,
and had four sons and two daughters. Date of death unknown.

Cheers, ----------Brad

Mark B

Re: Clifford Confusion: Daughters of the 1st Earl of Cumberl

Legg inn av Mark B » 07 feb 2006 05:50:02

<snip>
Does anyone know what evidence exists for the
existence and marriage of
a daughter of the 1st Earl of Cumberland to a
Huddleston of Millom?
snip


Brad,

Nicolson & Burn agree with this. Number 12 on their
lineage of Hudleston of Millom is:

"John, [son of Sir John Hudleston and Joan Fitz Hugh],
married to his first wife Jane daughter of Henry lord
Clifford knight of the garter, and first earl of
Cumberland, by whom he had no issue. He married to his
second wife Joan, sister of Sir John Seymour knight,
father of the lady Jane Seymour, wife to king Henry
the eighth. To his third wife he married Joyce
daughter of Mr. Richley of Prickley in the county of
Worcester.--By his second wife he had issue two sons,
Anthony who continued the family at Millum, and Andrew
who married one of the coheirs of Thomas Hutton of
Hutton-John esquire, and was ancestor of the present
family at Hutton-John."

Take it for what it's worth. Nicolson and Burn was
published in 1777, 200 years or so after the marriage
in question.

Best regards,
Mark Briscoe

--- Brad Verity <royaldescent@hotmail.com> wrote:

Per 'The House of Clifford', the daughters of the
1st Earl of
Cumberland and his 2nd wife Margaret Percy were:

1) Catherine (d. 1598), m. 1st, John, 8th Lord
Scrope of Bolton; m.
2nd, Sir Richard Cholmley, of Whitby, Yorkshire.
2) Maud, m. John, Lord Conyers of Hornby
3) Elizabeth, m. 1533, Sir Christopher Metcalfe of
Nappa
4) Jane, m. Sir John Huddlestone of Millom,
Cumberland

Collins' Peerage has the same four, but calls
Elizabeth's husband Sir
Richard Metcalf. In the 1563 Visitation of
Yorkshire, there are only
three daughters: "Elisabeth=Sir Crystofer Metcalff,
Kateryn wyff to
John Lord Scrope of Bolton, Mawde wyff to The Lord
Conyers". A
footnote states that the first earl of Cumberland is
said to have had
another daughter Jane, wife of Sir John Huddleston
of Millom.

CP states that the 1st Earl and Margaret Percy were
married about 1516.
She died in 1540 and he died in 1542. In his will,
dated April 1542,
Elizabeth is not yet married, so the above 1533 date
for her marriage
to Christopher Metcalf has to be incorrect.

The only Sir John Huddleston of Millom Castle,
Cumberland appears to be
the son and heir of Sir John Huddleston of Millom
and Southam,
Gloucestershire (d. 1 January 1512), and his 2nd
wife Joan Stapleton.
He was born about 1488, and died in 1547. He was
married to Jane
Seymour, the aunt of Henry VIII's wife Jane Seymour,
by whom he had
three sons and one daughter. He also was married to
Joyce Prickley of
Worcestershire, by whom he had another two sons and
a daughter. His
eldest son and heir Anthony Huddleston was born in
1518. I suppose its
possible he was also married to Joan Clifford, but
she would have to be
his second or third wife.

Nicolson & Burn have her as his first, producing no
issue. Not to say they are correct (they provide no
sources), but why do you say she would have to be his
second or third wife?


Does anyone know what evidence exists for the
existence and marriage of
a daughter of the 1st Earl of Cumberland to a
Huddleston of Millom?

Here is chronology for the remaining daughters of
the 1st Earl:

1) Catherine Clifford, eldest daughter, married 1st,
about 1530, John,
8th Lord Scrope of Bolton (d. 22 June 1549), and was
a mother in the
early 1530s. She married 2nd, by 1556, Sir Richard
Cholmley of Whitby
(d. 17 May 1583), and died 1598, having had issue by
both husbands.
[Note: she likely married Cholmley and had his three
children in the
early 1550s, as she would be in her forties after
1556.]

2) Maud Clifford, married before October 1539, John
Conyers, 3rd Lord
Conyers (b. 1524, d. June 1557), and had three
daughters. Date of
death unknown.

3) Elizabeth Clifford, youngest daughter, married
about 1545-50, Sir
Christopher Metcalfe, of Nappa (b. 1 August 1513; d.
9 May 1574),
eldest son and heir of Sir James Metcalfe of Nappa
and Margaret Pigot,
and had four sons and two daughters. Date of death
unknown.

Cheers,
----------Brad




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