OT When did it become legal to marry one's sister-in-law?
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Lyn Wolf
OT When did it become legal to marry one's sister-in-law?
Can anyone recommend a reliable source that would give the date
when it became legal to marry one's dead wife's sister? Also when
it became legal for first cousins to marry, etc? I have this happening
in 1739 in Cambridgeshire.
Any help greatly appeciated
Lyn Wolf
Australia
when it became legal to marry one's dead wife's sister? Also when
it became legal for first cousins to marry, etc? I have this happening
in 1739 in Cambridgeshire.
Any help greatly appeciated
Lyn Wolf
Australia
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Gjest
Re: OT When did it become legal to marry one's sister-in-law
"Lyn Wolf" wrote:
Although it was long prohibited under Canon Law (see the Table of
Kindred and Affinity in any Anglican Prayer Book) it only become
illegal with the passing of legislation in 1835. This provision was
repealed in 1907.
A useful summary is at:
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~awoodley/r ... marry.html
First cousin marriages were always acceptable in England, following the
Reformation.
MAR
Can anyone recommend a reliable source that would give the date
when it became legal to marry one's dead wife's sister? Also when
it became legal for first cousins to marry, etc? I have this happening
in 1739 in Cambridgeshire.
Any help greatly appeciated
Lyn Wolf
Australia
Although it was long prohibited under Canon Law (see the Table of
Kindred and Affinity in any Anglican Prayer Book) it only become
illegal with the passing of legislation in 1835. This provision was
repealed in 1907.
A useful summary is at:
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~awoodley/r ... marry.html
First cousin marriages were always acceptable in England, following the
Reformation.
MAR
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John Brandon
Re: OT When did it become legal to marry one's sister-in-law
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
Apparently didn't become illegal in some of the British colonies
(Canada, for instance), as my great-great-great grandfather, Gurdon
Eaton, married his deceased wife's sister, Miss Elizabeth Rockwell, in
Nova Scotia sometime _ca._ 1855.
Or was Canada truly a colony of Great Britain at that time?
Although it was long prohibited under Canon Law (see the Table of
Kindred and Affinity in any Anglican Prayer Book) it only become
illegal with the passing of legislation in 1835.
Apparently didn't become illegal in some of the British colonies
(Canada, for instance), as my great-great-great grandfather, Gurdon
Eaton, married his deceased wife's sister, Miss Elizabeth Rockwell, in
Nova Scotia sometime _ca._ 1855.
Or was Canada truly a colony of Great Britain at that time?
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Gjest
Re: OT When did it become legal to marry one's sister-in-law
John Brandon wrote:
Canada was then a British colony (or, more properly, several British
colonies, of which Nova Scotia was one). However, there are various
legal doctrines which determine the applicability of Imperial (i.e. UK)
acts in respect of the various colonies - imperial acts were not
necessarily binding on settled colonies, and Nova Scotia was certainly
settled by 1835; what its particular position was vis-a-vis imperial
legislation at that time, I don't know. Are you sure that the parties
were married, given that you only have a "circa" date? I know that the
Act in question prevented such marriages in New South Wales during the
whole of Victoria's reign (my great great great great grandfather
luckily tied the knot with his brother's widow in 1834, a year before
it became illegal).
MAR
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
Although it was long prohibited under Canon Law (see the Table of
Kindred and Affinity in any Anglican Prayer Book) it only become
illegal with the passing of legislation in 1835.
Apparently didn't become illegal in some of the British colonies
(Canada, for instance), as my great-great-great grandfather, Gurdon
Eaton, married his deceased wife's sister, Miss Elizabeth Rockwell, in
Nova Scotia sometime _ca._ 1855.
Or was Canada truly a colony of Great Britain at that time?
Canada was then a British colony (or, more properly, several British
colonies, of which Nova Scotia was one). However, there are various
legal doctrines which determine the applicability of Imperial (i.e. UK)
acts in respect of the various colonies - imperial acts were not
necessarily binding on settled colonies, and Nova Scotia was certainly
settled by 1835; what its particular position was vis-a-vis imperial
legislation at that time, I don't know. Are you sure that the parties
were married, given that you only have a "circa" date? I know that the
Act in question prevented such marriages in New South Wales during the
whole of Victoria's reign (my great great great great grandfather
luckily tied the knot with his brother's widow in 1834, a year before
it became illegal).
MAR
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John Brandon
Re: OT When did it become legal to marry one's sister-in-law
legislation at that time, I don't know. Are you sure that the parties
were married, given that you only have a "circa" date?
Yup, very certain. There is a known date for the marriage, I just
don't have the paperwork with me.
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CE Wood
Re: OT When did it become legal to marry one's sister-in-law
And first cousins who marry really complicate the ancestry! My 2nd
great-grandmother and 2nd great-grandfather were first cousins who
married in 1832, in Maine.
CE Wood
"Lyn Wolf" wrote:
great-grandmother and 2nd great-grandfather were first cousins who
married in 1832, in Maine.
CE Wood
"Lyn Wolf" wrote:
Can anyone recommend a reliable source that would give the date
when it became legal to marry one's dead wife's sister? Also when
it became legal for first cousins to marry, etc? I have this happening
in 1739 in Cambridgeshire.
Any help greatly appeciated
Lyn Wolf
Australia
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John Brandon
Re: OT When did it become legal to marry one's sister-in-law
Of course, the Miss Rockwells were also first cousins of _their_
husband, Mr. Eaton.
I'm descended from quite a few first-cousin marriages (the most recent
of which is Gurdon Eaton = Mary Rockwell in 1840).
husband, Mr. Eaton.
I'm descended from quite a few first-cousin marriages (the most recent
of which is Gurdon Eaton = Mary Rockwell in 1840).
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Todd A. Farmerie
Re: OT When did it become legal to marry one's sister-in-law
CE Wood wrote:
My most inbred set of ancestors were an emigrant couple from Baden
(1840s), Johann Adam and Salome (Grau) Grau. They were first cousins
through their mothers who were sisters, while all of the parents were
paternal grandchildren of the same couple, first-cousins to their spouses.
Y=X
+-------+-------+
Y Y Y
+--+ +--+--+ +--+
Y=X X=Y
+--+ +--+
Y=X
[Just a note for those who are researching someone of this name - I have
several times seen Salome erronsously recorded as Sarah, presumably
through the mistaken assumption that the nickname Sally was being used
for the latter rather than the former.]
taf
And first cousins who marry really complicate the ancestry! My 2nd
great-grandmother and 2nd great-grandfather were first cousins who
married in 1832, in Maine.
My most inbred set of ancestors were an emigrant couple from Baden
(1840s), Johann Adam and Salome (Grau) Grau. They were first cousins
through their mothers who were sisters, while all of the parents were
paternal grandchildren of the same couple, first-cousins to their spouses.
Y=X
+-------+-------+
Y Y Y
+--+ +--+--+ +--+
Y=X X=Y
+--+ +--+
Y=X
[Just a note for those who are researching someone of this name - I have
several times seen Salome erronsously recorded as Sarah, presumably
through the mistaken assumption that the nickname Sally was being used
for the latter rather than the former.]
taf
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John Brandon
Re: OT When did it become legal to marry one's sister-in-law
My most inbred set of ancestors were an emigrant couple from Baden
(1840s), Johann Adam and Salome (Grau) Grau. They were first cousins
through their mothers who were sisters, while all of the parents were
paternal grandchildren of the same couple, first-cousins to their spouses.
And I thought my Nantucket people were bad! (But to be fair, while
Nantucketers _did_ usually marry their cousins, it wasn't usually a
_first_ cousin.)
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Robin Haigh
Re: OT When did it become legal to marry one's sister-in-law
"John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138889992.714166.127010@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
It remained a common practice in England in spite of being illegal. The
eventual repeal was retrospective.
--
RSH
news:1138889992.714166.127010@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
Although it was long prohibited under Canon Law (see the Table of
Kindred and Affinity in any Anglican Prayer Book) it only become
illegal with the passing of legislation in 1835.
Apparently didn't become illegal in some of the British colonies
(Canada, for instance), as my great-great-great grandfather, Gurdon
Eaton, married his deceased wife's sister, Miss Elizabeth Rockwell, in
Nova Scotia sometime _ca._ 1855.
Or was Canada truly a colony of Great Britain at that time?
It remained a common practice in England in spite of being illegal. The
eventual repeal was retrospective.
--
RSH
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Gjest
Re: OT When did it become legal to marry one's sister-in-law
Robin Haigh wrote:
was changed recently?
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
Although it was long prohibited under Canon Law (see the Table of
Kindred and Affinity in any Anglican Prayer Book) it only become
illegal with the passing of legislation in 1835.
It remained a common practice in England in spite of being illegal. The
eventual repeal was retrospective.
It long remained illegal to marry a parent-in-law; but I think that law
was changed recently?
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Gjest
Re: OT When did it become legal to marry one's sister-in-law
mvernonconnolly@yahoo.co.uk schrieb:
Yes, within the last year. Scotland changed their laws in early 2005 to
allow marriage with one's parent-in-law, and England followed suit a
couple of months ago following a court challenge in the European Court
of Justice by a man who wanted to marry his (former) daughter-in-law.
MAR
Robin Haigh wrote:
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
Although it was long prohibited under Canon Law (see the Table of
Kindred and Affinity in any Anglican Prayer Book) it only become
illegal with the passing of legislation in 1835.
It remained a common practice in England in spite of being illegal. The
eventual repeal was retrospective.
It long remained illegal to marry a parent-in-law; but I think that law
was changed recently?
Yes, within the last year. Scotland changed their laws in early 2005 to
allow marriage with one's parent-in-law, and England followed suit a
couple of months ago following a court challenge in the European Court
of Justice by a man who wanted to marry his (former) daughter-in-law.
MAR
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Gjest
Re: OT When did it become legal to marry one's sister-in-law
Todd A. Farmerie wrote:
I have no idea what the actual legal reason was for this, but two of my
ancestors who were first cousins married in 1811 in Port Patrick,
Scotland, because of some legal problem in their home, Tipperary,
Ireland (Hugh Massey Barrett and Caroline Butler).
Best, Bronwen
CE Wood wrote:
And first cousins who marry really complicate the ancestry! My 2nd
great-grandmother and 2nd great-grandfather were first cousins who
married in 1832, in Maine.
My most inbred set of ancestors were an emigrant couple from Baden
(1840s), Johann Adam and Salome (Grau) Grau. They were first cousins
through their mothers who were sisters, while all of the parents were
paternal grandchildren of the same couple, first-cousins to their spouses.
Y=X
+-------+-------+
Y Y Y
+--+ +--+--+ +--+
Y=X X=Y
+--+ +--+
Y=X
[Just a note for those who are researching someone of this name - I have
several times seen Salome erronsously recorded as Sarah, presumably
through the mistaken assumption that the nickname Sally was being used
for the latter rather than the former.]
taf
I have no idea what the actual legal reason was for this, but two of my
ancestors who were first cousins married in 1811 in Port Patrick,
Scotland, because of some legal problem in their home, Tipperary,
Ireland (Hugh Massey Barrett and Caroline Butler).
Best, Bronwen
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Gjest
Re: OT When did it become legal to marry one's sister-in-law
lostcooper@yahoo.com wrote:
are first cousins and also catholics; when they married (some 35 years
ago) they had to (or chose to) get a dispensation from Rome! It was
nothing to do with the law of the land.
I have no idea what the actual legal reason was for this, but two of my
ancestors who were first cousins married in 1811 in Port Patrick,
Scotland, because of some legal problem in their home, Tipperary,
Ireland (Hugh Massey Barrett and Caroline Butler).
Best, Bronwen
That may have been to do with the Catholic church. I know a couple who
are first cousins and also catholics; when they married (some 35 years
ago) they had to (or chose to) get a dispensation from Rome! It was
nothing to do with the law of the land.