What would u have done if u had been Richard?

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What would u have done if u had been Richard?

Legg inn av Mike1483 » 01 feb 2006 23:19:20

Looking back over previous discussions about R3 I can definatley see
that the old Tudor nonsense prevails. BTW who the hell is D. Spencer?!
is it a he or She is it a distant royal? whoever it is he/she is very
pompous and disrespectful.

Anyway, I'd just like to ask all those anti-R's a few Q's

1. What would u have done in his place given, had he not done anything
the Woodvilles would have destroyed him as was destroyed Glouster as
the uncle of H6 (Remember that, people?). It is probably a v dangerous
dangerous thing to be the uncle to a king as history has shown. With
the revolting Elizabeth Woodville and her rapacious family, it seems
almost certain they would have destroyed Richard. Edward 4 had
extremely bad taste - and de3stroyed his own house of York, by marrying
such a woman and then not having the good sense to keep her family out
of government. First she was a Lancastrian of too low a position to
offer a bridge of peace to recalcitrant Lns and she was, with her
family the worst sort of courtier. Why E4 did this is a mystery and he
lost what could have been the title of England's greatest king bc of
it. If you actually read some books on theperiod - both for and against
R - they all argue that at Edwards death Hasting's warned R of both
their dangerous positions and urged him to destroy the Woodville menace
bf it destroyed them. What Hasting's was unable to see was that Edward
5 would have DEFINATLEY taken revenge on both him and Richard when he
came of age for disposing of his mother's family. But if R did nothing
he was also a marked man - SO WHAT THE HELL SHOULD HE HAVE DONE!!.

2. Why do you still hold the evil (IMO) Tudors above the Yorkists?
Richard never had women executed or priests. But that turd H8 killed
women - remember Margaret Countess of Salsbury being hacked to death in
her late 60's?? - and priests. He cooked Protestants and Catholics. He
was a total absolutist asshole and yet there seems to be this lingering
affection for him. I remember seeing an interview w a brain dead
alcoholic english woman who had a H8 mug! So it is probably more likely
that Ricardians are the intelligent ones and anti-R's are the
non-thinkers. If you don't Q what you're told then you can't have much
in the way of courage or brains. These are the people who still believe
there are WMD in Iraq, Gays should be sent to prison, all drug use is
abuse and should be punished - basically your typical reactionary rod
up the ass individual. Usually accompanied by heavy extremist religious
views which are typically hypocritically held. So when I read in a
previous thread by this Spencer that R's are somehow brain dead I took
the insult personally as I am a R and have a PhD. I cant be that stupid
therefore!

Basically there are 2 types of Ricardian - the Romantics, and the
seekers of Objective truth, I am in the latter. We are not prepared to
exonerate Richard but we see that HIS crimes pale into insignificance
when compared with those of the Tudors and Stuarts. The Yorkists were
the rightful Kings and, by a fortunate coinsidence, reasnobly tolerant.


Shakespeare, BTW IMO, is a terrible playwrite - his R3 - which I
witnessed recently is so over the top I cant believe people keep
treating S with such reverence. Wasn't "the bard" writing for the hoi
poloi? therefore his plays had to be pretty simplistic. and his R3 is
ridiculous! Also remember he was writing under an absolute monarch.

So, to sum up, why do people still treat R so poorly, his brother had
children killed, H8, Mary 1 both executed children. So why so hard on
poor old R?

I do blame Richard for one thing and that is not chopping of Morton's
head and placing Margaret Beaufort in a dungeon - if not lopping off
her scheming wicked head as well. He was foolish to kill Hastings - who
might have served as a Bulwark against the Woodvilles and may even have
been brought round to see that only by R taking the crown would they
both, and the Yorkist cause be secure. Instead he relied on the
revolting Stanley's. Morton must have been amazed himself at how he
kept getting away with it. If you dont discipline a child it does the
bad thing again - same with Morton.

LFTYR,

Mike

Gjest

Re: What would u have done if u had been Richard?

Legg inn av Gjest » 02 feb 2006 08:22:21

Mike1483 schrieb:

Looking back over previous discussions about R3 I can definatley see
that the old Tudor nonsense prevails. BTW who the hell is D. Spencer?!
is it a he or She is it a distant royal? whoever it is he/she is very
pompous and disrespectful.

Anyway, I'd just like to ask all those anti-R's a few Q's

What has this to do with mediaeval genealogy? Perhaps "u" could try a
group where it would be On Topic.

Mike1483

Re: What would u have done if u had been Richard?

Legg inn av Mike1483 » 03 feb 2006 02:15:51

ha ha "U" fuckwit. U is the polite Dutch for YOU. "U" seem to have some
knowledge of German (Bent U een Duiter?). And I was writing on this ng
as it is this ng where the statements of Spencer were made.


mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
Mike1483 schrieb:

Looking back over previous discussions about R3 I can definatley see
that the old Tudor nonsense prevails. BTW who the hell is D. Spencer?!
is it a he or She is it a distant royal? whoever it is he/she is very
pompous and disrespectful.

Anyway, I'd just like to ask all those anti-R's a few Q's

What has this to do with mediaeval genealogy? Perhaps "u" could try a
group where it would be On Topic.

Dora Smith

Re: What would u have done if u had been Richard?

Legg inn av Dora Smith » 03 feb 2006 03:17:01

All royalty are medieval at heart. LOL!

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
villandra@austin.rr.com
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Mike1483 schrieb:

Looking back over previous discussions about R3 I can definatley see
that the old Tudor nonsense prevails. BTW who the hell is D. Spencer?!
is it a he or She is it a distant royal? whoever it is he/she is very
pompous and disrespectful.

Anyway, I'd just like to ask all those anti-R's a few Q's

What has this to do with mediaeval genealogy? Perhaps "u" could try a
group where it would be On Topic.



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Re: What would u have done if u had been Richard?

Legg inn av Gjest » 03 feb 2006 08:31:26

Mike1483 schrieb:

ha ha "U" fuckwit. U is the polite Dutch for YOU. "U" seem to have some
knowledge of German (Bent U een Duiter?). And I was writing on this ng
as it is this ng where the statements of Spencer were made.

Yes, I can see you are exquisitely polite. Perhaps "U" will have
better luck with your illiterate trolling elsewhere.

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