The Kinsmen of Sir Hugh de Hastings (d. 1347) and the Elsing

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The Kinsmen of Sir Hugh de Hastings (d. 1347) and the Elsing

Legg inn av Gjest » 01 feb 2006 17:52:02

Wednesday, 1 February, 2006



Hello All,

With regard to the well known monumental brass of Sir Hugh de Hastings
(d. 1347) in the church of Elsing, Norfolk, Norman F. Cantor wrote in part,

' Sir Hugh in his tomb is flanked by a group of eight weepers,
headed by King Edward III and including companions in arms and
members of the Order of the Garter such as Ralph, Earl of
Stafford, and relatives such as Roger, Lord Grey of Ruthin.
According to Binski, the tomb expresses "a form of corporate
identity, embedded in shared military honor and badges of
allegiance." ' [1]

A prior SGM thread had resolved the confusion evidenced by Professor
Cantor, and others [2], concerning the alleged lack of relationships
between Sir Hugh and the weepers on his monument, save one: King Edward
III [3].

At the time I wrote the subject post in September last year, I had
already forgotten a previous thread concerning Sir Hugh and his kinship
to King Edward III from September 2004, in which it was shown that they
were in fact 4th cousins 1x removed [4].

It is therefore more accurate to say, concerning the weepers
represented on the monument of Sir Hugh de Hastings at Elsing, that

" Hastings selected eight of his old comrades-in-arms from
the French wars for this purpose, ALL of whom were related
to him. "

Cheers,

John *



NOTES

[1] Norman F. Cantor, In the Wake of the Plague: The Black Death
and the World It Made (Chapter 6: Women and Men of Property).


[2] Monumental Brass Society, Brass of the Month, March 2005:
Elsing, Norfolk. The author of this entry wrote in part,

" The weepers represented on medieval monuments are commonly
members of the deceased person's family. Hastings, however,
selected eight of his old comrades-in-arms from the French
wars for this purpose, some of whom, though, were related
to him. "

http://www.mbs-brasses.co.uk/pic_lib/Ma ... _month.htm


[3] J. Ravilious, <Hawise (____) Basset: A conjectured identification>,
SGM, 10 September 2005. The charts included in that post,
reflecting the known relationships of Sir Hugh, and the then-
conjectured relationship to Sir Ralph de Stafford (later 1st
Earl of Stafford) is repeated below for clarity's sake.


Weeper Name ID in Relationship
Chart below


King Edward III * [not noted/beyond 5th degree]
* NOW shown as 4th cousin 1x removed *

Thomas Beauchamp, (A) 1st cousin 1x removed
Earl of Warwick


Hugh le Despenser, (B) 1st cousin
Lord Despenser


Sir John Grey of (C) nephew
Ruthin


Henry, Earl of (D) 1st cousin
Lancaster


Lawrence Hastings, (E) nephew
Earl of Pembroke


Ralph de Stafford, (F) [conjectured] 2nd cousin
Lord Stafford


Almeric de St. Amand, (G) 1st cousin
Lord St. Amand




William de Beauchamp = Maud FitzJohn Hugh le = Aline
E of Warwick I Despenser I Basset
_________________I_______ __________I_ _ _ _ _ _
I <1> I <2> I I
Guy Patrick = Isabel = Hugh le Hawise
E of Warwick de I I Despenser (Despenser ?)
I Chaworth I I ex. 1326 = Ralph Basset
____I _____________I I______________________ I
I I <1> <2> I I I I
THOMAS Maud Isabel = Sir John = Isabel Hugh Margaret Margaret
E OF = Henry de I de I Despenser = John Basset
WARWICK E of Valence I Hastings I ex 1326 de St. = Edmund
(A) Lancs. ________I___ I I Amand Stafford
__________I I I I I I I
I I I I I I I
HENRY Elizabeth John de HUGH HUGH AMAURI RALPH
E OF = Sir Roger Hastings DE (B) (ALMERIC) STAFFORD
LANCS de Grey I HASTINGS (G) (F)
(D) I I
I I
SIR JOHN LAURENCE DE
GREY (C) HASTINGS
(E)


[4] J. Ravilious, <CP Correction: Sir Hugh de Hastings, kinsman of
Edward III of England >, SGM, 2 Sept 2004.


* John P. Ravilious

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