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Fw: Mary

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 30 jan 2006 05:50:02

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Ricahrdson asks "What's wrong with Queen Mary anyhow?"

By his "consistent" standard everything is wrong with this - Henrietta Maria was named for both her parents, and her mother was Italian. So "Maria" would have been the natural form in her native language, just as "Marie" was in French.

By her own household, after the Restoration, in an indenture dated 6 May 1661 the queen was called "The most high and excellent Princesse Henriette Marie by the Grace of God Queene of England Scotlande ffrance and Ireland mother to the said Kinges Majestie". Does Richardson think we must refer to "Scotlande" and "ffrance" when speaking of these nations in the 17th century, because that is what contemporaries can be shown to have called them? And must we call Henrietta Maria "Queene" and her son Charles II the "Kinge" of England?

At the same time we will have to start calling William the Conqueror "Willelmus rex Anglorum, dux Normannorum" because he never set eyes on the form "William" or heard the titles "king of England" and "duke of Normandy".

Douglas Richardson

Re: Fw: Mary

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 30 jan 2006 07:18:47

My comments are interspersed below. DR

"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
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To: Leo van de Pas
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:04 PM
Subject: Mary

< Ricahrdson asks "What's wrong with Queen Mary anyhow?"

Don't tell Pas, but my last name is Richardson, not Ricahrdson. Pas
may call me Douglas, though, if he so desires.

< By his "consistent" standard everything is wrong with this -
< Henrietta Maria was named for both her parents, and her mother
< was Italian. So "Maria" would have been the natural form in her
< native language, just as "Marie" was in French.

I'm not sure what Pas means by a "consistent standard." Queen
Henriette Marie was called Queen Mary at the direction of her husband,
King Charles I, not Douglas Richardson. Also, it had nothing to do
with her "natural language."

I ask again: What is wrong with Queen Mary?

< By her own household, after the Restoration, in an indenture dated 6
< May 1661 the queen was called "The most high and excellent Princesse
< Henriette Marie by the Grace of God Queene of England
< Scotlande ffrance and Ireland mother to the said Kinges Majestie".

Here Pas shows an example of the queen being correctly styled
"Henriette Marie" in her lifetime. Bit he tells us this is wrong. Now
go figure. Perhaps he thinks the Latin form of her name, Henrietta
Maria, is more uppity.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

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