Campbell, Lamont and MacDonald: a Proposed Solution

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Campbell, Lamont and MacDonald: a Proposed Solution

Legg inn av Gjest » 26 jan 2006 02:07:02

Wednesday, 25 January, 2006



Hello All,

Last year several threads on SGM discussed the Lamonts of
Inveryne, both in terms of their alleged O’Neill ancestry and
their relationships (marital, and resulting kinship) to the
Lords of the Isles [1]. At that time, the exact nature of the
relationships between Robert Lamont and his wife Agnes ‘de
insulis’, between Robert Lamont and Christina Lamont (wife of
Colin Campbell of Ardkinglas) and between Christina and her
husband Colin Campbell was unresolved.

Two items have been located which will dispel at least
part of the uncertainty. It was known that Robert Lamont and
Agnes ‘de insulis’ (or MacDonald as you may prefer) were
closely related, as they eventually obtained a dispensation
dated 30 October 1397. Based on Sir Norman Lamont’s previous
work, Jean Munro and R. W. Munro published details showing
that ' Robert Duncani MacLagmayn and Ana Donaldi domini
Insularum ' were dispensed to marry, as they were related in
the 3rd degree of consanguinity [2]. The language of the
dispensation also makes it clear that Robert was the son of
Duncan Lamont, and Agnes (or ‘Ana’) the daughter of Donald,
Lord of the Isles (d. 1423).

The mother and grandmother of Robert Lamont are as yet
unknown, but the ancestry of Agnes is more than well
documented [3]. It is highly unlikely that their common ancestry
involved a descent from King Robert II of Scots or William, Earl
of Ross. The Leslie connection to the Lords of the Isles was a
result of Sir Walter Leslie’s marrying the Countess of Ross, so
(while possible) it would appear a Leslie descent is unlikely for
Robert Lamont. Given the Lamont family’s holdings in Cowall and
elsewhere bordering the domains of the MacDonalds, it appears
most likely that either (A) the paternal grandmother of Robert
Lamont was a daughter of Angus Og mac Angus mac Donald, or (B)
his mother was a daughter of an unknown child of Angus Og, and
sibling of Eoin, Lord of the Isles and son of Angus Og. The
following chart sets out this hypothetical descent (conjectured
line represented: _ _ _ _ _ _ ).


Angus Og = Agnes O’Cathain
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _I___________
I I
Sir John mac = NN, a dau. Eoin, Lord of the Isles
Malcolm Lamont I = Margaret Stewart
I I
I I
Duncan mac Eoin Donald, Lord of the Isles
Lamont = [Margaret Leslie *]
I I
I I
Robert mac Duncan Lamont = Agnes ‘de insulis’



As to the above relationship, I discussed this with Andrew
MacEwen some time ago. He suggested the possibility (esp. given
the chronology of the daughters of Donald, Lord of the Isles)
that Agnes was the daughter of a previous, unknown spouse of
Donald. This might account for the tight chronology between
Agnes and her grandparents, but (given some of the uncertainty,
and postnuptial dispensations) the chronology as presented is
not a disproof to the relationship shown above.

As to the other relationships mentioned above, the
dispensation for the marriage of Colin Campbell of Ardkinglas
and Christina Lamont was dated at Avignon, 19 June 1396. The
text was printed in McGurk’s Calendar of Papal Letters, and
reads as follows:

' Reg Aven 299, 341v
To the bishop of Argyll. Mandate to dispense the
nobleman Colin Juvenis Mactalen, donzel, to marry the
noblewoman Cristina Roberti Maclagnian, maiden, Argyll
diocese, notwithstanding their being related in the third
and third and the fourth and fourth degree of
consanguinity, and they are held to give alms to any holy
place nearby.
Avignon, 13 Kal. Jul., anno 2.
SRO, Vat. Trans., iv, no. 67. ' [4]


Part of the relationship is quickly discerned. Both Colin
Campbell and Christina Lamont were great-grandchildren of Sir
John mac Malcolm Lamont (d. bef 31 Dec 1356), as Sir John’s
daughter Isabella was the wife of Archibald Campbell (d. ca.
1390) and grandmother of Colin. This relationship was one of
2nd cousins, so the relationship in the 3rd and 3rd degree of
consanguinity is known.

The solution to the other relationship (4th and 4th degree)
is only slightly more complex. The Lamont pedigree is
problematic, as mentioned above, but the probable identification
(above) of the mother of Duncan Lamont (father of Robert) and of
Isabella Lamont (sister of Duncan, and grandmother of Colin
Campbell of Ardkinglas) appears to provide the answer. Both
Colin Campbell and Christina Lamont would thereby be great-great-
grandchildren Angus Og and Agnes O’Cathain. However, since this
is a descent from the same marriage (Sir John Lamont and the
theorized daughter of Angus Og) that gives rise to the 3rd and
3rd degree relationship described above, this does not (by
itself) provide the solution.

I had suggested in one of the previous threads that
Christina Lamont was the daughter of Robert mac Duncan Lamont by
his wife Agnes ‘de insulis’ [5]. This provides the
inconvenience of two conflicting dates: the dispensation for
Colin Campbell of Ardkinglas marrying Christina Lamont after 19
June 1396, before the dispensation of 30 October 1397 being
granted for Christina’s father and alleged mother, Robert mac
Duncan Lamont and Agnes ’de insulis’. The existence of a tight
chronology is also noted as mentioned above in Agnes’ ancestry,
but it must be noted that the 1396 dispensation is worded as a
pre-marital dispensation, whereas the 1397 dispensation was,
according to Sir Norman Lamont, a post-nuptial dispensation
(i.e., the marriage had already occurred, and the dispensation
both provided for recognition of the marriage and legitimation of
the issue already born) [6].

The relationship of 4th and 4th degree would therefore be
shown as follows:


Angus Og = Agnes O’Cathain
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _I___________
I I
Sir John mac = NN, a dau. Eoin, Lord of the Isles
Malcolm Lamont I = Margaret Stewart
____________I_______ I
I I I
Isabella Duncan Donald, Lord of the Isles
= Archibald Lamont = [Margaret Leslie *]
Campbell I I
I I________ I
I I I
Sir Colin Robert = Agnes ‘de insulis’
‘Iongantach’ Lamont I (m. bef 30 Oct 1397)
I I
___I________________ I
III I I
<siblings> Colin Campbell = Christina Lamont
of Ardkinglas I (m. aft 19 Jun 1396)
________________________I_______________
I I I
Agnes Iain ' Riabhiach ' Duncan
m. Sir Patrick laird of
Houstoun Ardkinglas


If the foregoing is in fact correct, it is the only instance
of which I know where the (known) marriage dates for parents and
child are inverted.

Should anyone have additonal relevant documentation (not to
mention commentary or criticism), please feel free.

Cheers,

John *




NOTES

[1] See J. Ravilious et al., <'Agnes of the Isles' , and Lamont of
Inveryne: a Proposed Solution>, SGM, 18 Jun 2004 et seq. Also
<Lamont of Inveryne and the Gaelic genealogies>, SGM, 19 Nov
2004 et seq.


[2] Jean Munro, Ph.D. and R. W. Munro, eds. Acts of the Lords of
the Isles, 1336-1493 (Edinburgh: Blackwood, Pillans & Wilson,
1986 [Pub. of the Scottish History Society, Ser. 4, Vol. 22]),
p. 243, no. B28. The published text of the dispensation is
given in Sir Norman Lamont of Knockdow, Bart., F.S.A. (Scot.),
An Inventory of Lamont Papers, 1231-1897 (Presented to the
Scottish Record Society) (Edinburgh: J. Skinner & Company,
Ltd., 1914), pp. 11-12, no. 19.


[3] The following is a brief ahnentafel for Agnes ‘of the Isles’:

1. Agnes, born say 1375-1380

2. Donald de Isla, Lord of the Isles, b. ca. 1355, d. 1423
3. Margaret Leslie, heiress of the Earldom of Ross

4. Eoin de Isla, Lord of the Isles, d. 1387
5. Margaret Stewart
6. Sir Walter Leslie, Earl of Ross dju, d. 27 Feb 1381/2
7. Euphemia of Ross, Countess of Ross, d. 20 Feb 1394/5

8. Angus Og mac Angus mac Donald, d. bef 12 Sept 1336
9. Agnes O’Cathan (or O’Cathain)
10. Robert II, King of Scots, d. 19 Apr 1390
11. Elizabeth Mure, d. before 2 May 1355
12. Sir Andrew Leslie, d. bef 28 Nov 1324
13. Mary de Abernethy, d. bef 19 Nov 1355
14. William, Earl of Ross, d. 9 Feb 1371/2
15. Mary ‘de insulis’, daughter of #8-9 above.


[4] Francis McGurk, ed. Calendar of Papal Letters to Scotland of
Benedict XIII of Avignon, 1394-1419 (Edinburgh: T. and A.
Constable, 1976), p. 64.


[5] J. Ravilious et al., <'Agnes of the Isles' , and Lamont of
Inveryne: a Proposed Solution>, SGM, 18 Jun 2004.


[6] Sir Norman Lamont of Knockdow, Bart., F.S.A. (Scot.),
An Inventory of Lamont Papers, 1231-1897 (Presented to the
Scottish Record Society) (Edinburgh: J. Skinner & Company,
Ltd., 1914), pp. 11-12.


* John P. Ravilious

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