Dear Doug,
Thanks for your good post of the other day.
The family of Lovaine of Little Easton is well known for its
unidentified spouses (Muriel, Helisant). Beyond this, their
Carolingian ancestry is interesting. There are, in addition to the
Bourchier descent you show, two other lines of descent from this family
which spread the Lovaine ancestry across a very wide spectrum of
English and Scots families:
1. Hawise de Lovaine (see below), wife of the justiciar Sir
Philip Basset, and ancestress of the Despensers and many more besides.
2. Alianore de Lovaine, half sister of Sir Thomas de Lovaine and
wife (2ndly) of Sir William Douglas (d. bef 24 Jan 1298/9), by whom she
was the ancestress of the first two Earls of Douglas, as well as of the
families of Sandilands, and Douglas of Drumlanrig.
Hope this is of interest.
Cheers,
John
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1 Godfrey III of Louvain
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Death: 10 Aug 1190[1]
Occ: Count of Louvain and Brussels 1142-1190
Father: Godfrey II of Louvain (-<1142)
Mother: Liutgard von Sulzbach (->1163)
duke of Lower Lorraine 1143
count of Brabant 1153-1190
cf. ES I Band I.2 Tafel 229, 236, 237[1]
Spouse: Imaine of Loos [2nd wife]
Father: Louis of Loos (-1171)
Mother: Agnes of Metz
Children: Godfrey (-<1226)
William (->1224)
Other Spouses Margaret of Limbourg
1.1 Godfrey of Louvain
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Death: bef 26 Apr 1226[3]
custodian of the castle of Eye in Suffolk, or
'seneschal of the honour of Eye' for his brother Henry of Brabant,
lord of same[3],[4]
in the entourage of his brother Duke Henry, attending the coronation
of King John of England, 27 May 1199[4]
cf. ES I Band I.2 Tafel 237 (Die Herzoge von Brabant)[1]
Spouse: Alice de Hastings
Father: Robert de Hastings, of Little Easton, Essex (-ca1190)
Marr: ca 1199[2]
Children: Matthew (-<1258)
John
1.1.1 Matthew de Lovaine
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Death: bef Jun 1258
knight, of Little Easton, Essex
'seneschal of the honour of Eye'[4]
his uncle Henry of Brabant 'confirmed to him the custody of the
honour of Eye as his father Godfrey had held it' [CP VIII:178[3]]
'On the same day Matthew was given seisin of his father's lands '
[Eye Priory Cartulary and Charters II:xii, cites CPR 1225-1232,
27 and Exc e Rot Fin, i, 141[4]]
Spouse: Muriel
Death: aft 1274[3]
Children: Hawise
Matthew de Lovaine (<1237-<1302)
1.1.1.1 Hawise de Lovaine
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1st wife of Sir Philip Basset[3]
probably the manor of Wix, Essex was part of her maritagium (held
of Sir Matthew de Lovaine by her daughter, 1271)
Aline Basset was her daughter:
' Aline la Despenser ' had a grant from her husband Roger le Bigod,
earl of Norfolk
" for all his lifetime, all the manors which fall and descend to
him and to her by the death of Philip Basset her father, from both
her father's inheritance and that of Helwise, her late mother. '
[charter dated Nov 1276xNov 1277, Morris p. 221[5], cites Morant,
Hist. Antiq. Essex II:269]
Spouse: Sir Philip Basset, Justiciar of England
Death: 29 Oct 1271[3]
Father: Alan Basset, of Wycombe, co. Bucks. (-1231)
Mother: Aline de Gai
Children: Aline (<1247-<1281)
1.1.1.1.1a Aline Basset*
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Death: bef 11 Apr 1281[3]
Birth: bef Dec 1247[3]
heiress of her father.
had in free marriage the manor of Wix, Essex, held in 1271 of Sir
Matthew de Lovaine by the service of 20s a year.[3]
' Aline la Despenser ', had a grant from her husband Roger le Bigod,
earl of Norfolk of ' all the manors which fall and descend to him
and to her by the death of Philip Basset her father, from both her
father's inheritance and that of Helwise, her late mother. '
[charter dated Nov 1276xNov 1277, Morris p. 221[5], cites Morant,
Hist. Antiq. Essex II:269]
m. 1stly Hugh le Despenser,
2ndly Roger le Bigod, 5th Earl of Norfolk (as his first wife)
Spouse: Sir Hugh le Despenser
Birth: abt 1223
Death: 4 Aug 1265, Battle of Evesham[3]
Father: Sir Hugh le Despenser (-<1238)
Mother: [Conjectured] NN de Quincy
Marr: abt 1260[3]
Children: Eleanor (-1328), m. Sir Hugh de Courtenay
Sir Hugh (1260-1326)
Joan (-<1322), m. Sir Thomas de Furnival
Hawise, m. [conjectured] Ralph Basset,
Lord Basset (of Drayton)
1. Detlev Schewennicke, "Europäische Stammtafeln: Neue Folge,"
Frankfurt
am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, 1999 [4th series],
Band I.2 - Premysliden, Askanier, Herzoge von Lothringen, die
Hauser Hessen, Wurttemberg und Zahringen, First series by Wilhelm
Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, continued second series by Frank, Baron
Freytag von Loringhoven.
3. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 - [microprint,
1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England Scotland
Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
4. R. Allen Brown, ed., "Eye Priory Cartulary and Charters," Suffolk
Records Society, Suffolk Charters (vol. XII), courtesy Ancestry.com
http://www.ancestry.com5. Marc Morris, "The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century,"
Woodbridge: The Boydell Press, 2005.
Douglas Richardson wrote:
Dear Newsgroup ~
Checking the database at Leo van de Pas' website at
http://www.genealogics.org, I've noticed that the English Lovaine family isn't
connected back to their Continental origins.
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