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C.P. Addition: Marriage of Hubert de Burgh and Beatrice de W

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 13 jan 2006 21:55:10

Dear Newsgroup ~

The authoritative Complete Peerage, 7 (1929): 140-141 (sub Kent) has
the following to say about Earl Hubert de Burgh's first marriage to
Beatrice de Warenne:

"Hubert married, 1stly, Beatrice, widow of Doun (Dodo) Bardolph (who
died before 24 Feb. 1204/5), and daughter and heiress of William de
Warenne, of Wormegay, Norfolk, by his 1st wife, Beatrice, daughter of
Hugh le Pierrepont. She died before 12 Dec. 1214."

That Beatrice de Warenne was the first of Earl Hubert's three wives is
proven by a record found in the Annals of Dunstable sub 1232. This
record refers to Isabel of Gloucester and Margaret of Scotland as
Hubert de Burgh's 2nd and 3rd wives respectively.

"And [Hubert de Burgh] having agreed upon the divorce of his third
wife, to wit the daughter of the king of Scotland, for this cause she
was related to his second wife, namely the Countess of Gloucester,
extended his wickedness by guilefull machinations, by refusing the
audience of good judges, and maliciously obtaining letters to three
judges appointed in three corners of England" [Reference: Annals of
Dunstable, Annales Monastici (Rolls Series), iii. 128-129].

The date of Hubert de Burgh's marriage to Beatrice de Warenne is not
given by Complete Peerage, but it can be dated with some accuracy by
reference to the Pipe Rolls.

In the Pipe Rolls for Michaelmas 1210, the following item is found:

"Beatricia filia Willelmi de Warenn' [blank] M et DC et l li. pro
habendis terris. sicut continetur ibiden." [Reference: C.F. Slade, ed.,
The Great Roll of the Pipe for the Twelfth Year of the Reign of King
John, Michaelmas 1210 (Pipe Roll Soc. n.s. 26) (1951): 50].

In the Pipe Rolls for Michaelmas 1211, the following item is found:

pg. 4 "Hubertus de Burgo de xiiij feodis et quarta de honore de
Wermegay de ueteri feffamento. Et de quarta parte de nouo feffamento."

pg. 21 "Huberto de Burgo r.c. de M et DC et l. li. de fine Beatricie
uxoris sue sicut supra continetur. In thes. CCCC m. Et debet M et CCC
et quarter XX et iij li. et dim. m. De quibus debet reddere per annum
CCCC m." [Reference: Doris M. Stenton, ed., The Great Roll of the
Pipe for the Thirteenth Year of the Reign of King John, Michaelmas 1211
(Pipe Roll Soc. n.s. 28) (1953): 4,21].

Taking these records together, it appears that Hubert de Burgh and
Beatrice de Warenne were married sometime between Michaelmas 1210 and
Michaelmas 1211.

Elsewhere, Clay shows that Hubert de Burgh was actually Beatrice de
Warenne's third husband, not her second husband, as stated by Complete
Peerage:

"Beatrice de Warenne, sole heir to her father at his death. At
Michaelmas 1209 she accounted 3100 marks to be paid within four years
of her having her father's lands and tenements which were her
inheritance, and her reasonable dower from the tenements of Doun
Bardolf formerly her husband, and that she should not be distrained to
marry, and that her father's debts due to the king should be paid from
the chattels belonging to her father and to Milisent her father's wife
on the day of his death. She occurs as the widow of Doun Bardolf on 13
March 1204-5, when Ruskington, co. Lincoln, was assigned for her dower
from his lands."

"Described as Beatrice daughter of William de Warenne she issued a
charter to the priory of Southwark, in her widowhood after the death of
Ralph her husband, confrming her father's gift of 60 acres of land in
Fortiscrea [Foots Cray, Kent], for the health of Reginald de Warenne
her grandfather, Alice her grandmother, William her father, Beatrice
her mother, Reginald her brother, whose body rested at Southwark,
Isabel her sister, and her own. This charter, evidently issued after
her father's death, shows in conjunction with the Pipe Roll entry that
in or after the year ending at Michaelmas 1209 she married as her
second husband a certain Ralph. This marriage was of short duration,
for soon afterwards she married Hubert de Burgh as his first wife, and
as his wife she died shortly before 18 Dec. 1214." [Reference: Clay,
Early Yorkshire Charters, 8 (1949): 34].

Thus, the order of Beatrice de Warenne's three marriages were:

(1) Doun Bardolf, who died shortly before 24 Feb. 1204/5.

(2) in or shortly after Michaelmas 1209 Ralph, surname unknown.

(3) before Michaelmas 1211 Sir Hubert de Burgh, afterwards Earl of
Kent.

Clay interprets the Michaelmas 1209 Pipe Roll entry to mean that
Beatrice de Warenne had not yet married her second husband, Ralph, as
reference is only made to Beatrice's first husband, Doun Bardolf, in
this record. However, if Beatrice's second husband, Ralph, was not a
tenant in chief of the king, the king would have no concern of
Beatrice's dower from that marriage. As such, it seems possible to me
that Beatrice was already widowed for the second time in Michaelmas
1209, when she was given permission to remarry without distraint.
Regardless, I've set the chronology of her three marriages above
following Clay's interpretation of this record.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

Douglas Richardson

Re: C.P. Addition: Marriage of Hubert de Burgh and Beatrice

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 14 jan 2006 04:22:55

Dear Newsgroup ~

For those so interested, a transcript of the charter of Beatrice de
Warenne mentioned by Clay which names her second husband, Ralph, can be
found online in William Dugdale, Monasticon Anglicanum, 6 Pt. 1 (1830):
171 at the following weblink:

http://monasticmatrix.usc.edu/bibliogra ... il&id=8006

This same cartulary for the Priory of St. Mary Overey in Southwark also
contains charters for Beatrice de Warenne's father, William de Warenne,
and her grandfather, Reynold de Warenne.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

Douglas Richardson wrote:
Dear Newsgroup ~

The authoritative Complete Peerage, 7 (1929): 140-141 (sub Kent) has
the following to say about Earl Hubert de Burgh's first marriage to
Beatrice de Warenne:

"Hubert married, 1stly, Beatrice, widow of Doun (Dodo) Bardolph (who
died before 24 Feb. 1204/5), and daughter and heiress of William de
Warenne, of Wormegay, Norfolk, by his 1st wife, Beatrice, daughter of
Hugh le Pierrepont. She died before 12 Dec. 1214."

That Beatrice de Warenne was the first of Earl Hubert's three wives is
proven by a record found in the Annals of Dunstable sub 1232. This
record refers to Isabel of Gloucester and Margaret of Scotland as
Hubert de Burgh's 2nd and 3rd wives respectively.

"And [Hubert de Burgh] having agreed upon the divorce of his third
wife, to wit the daughter of the king of Scotland, for this cause she
was related to his second wife, namely the Countess of Gloucester,
extended his wickedness by guilefull machinations, by refusing the
audience of good judges, and maliciously obtaining letters to three
judges appointed in three corners of England" [Reference: Annals of
Dunstable, Annales Monastici (Rolls Series), iii. 128-129].

The date of Hubert de Burgh's marriage to Beatrice de Warenne is not
given by Complete Peerage, but it can be dated with some accuracy by
reference to the Pipe Rolls.

In the Pipe Rolls for Michaelmas 1210, the following item is found:

"Beatricia filia Willelmi de Warenn' [blank] M et DC et l li. pro
habendis terris. sicut continetur ibiden." [Reference: C.F. Slade, ed.,
The Great Roll of the Pipe for the Twelfth Year of the Reign of King
John, Michaelmas 1210 (Pipe Roll Soc. n.s. 26) (1951): 50].

In the Pipe Rolls for Michaelmas 1211, the following item is found:

pg. 4 "Hubertus de Burgo de xiiij feodis et quarta de honore de
Wermegay de ueteri feffamento. Et de quarta parte de nouo feffamento."

pg. 21 "Huberto de Burgo r.c. de M et DC et l. li. de fine Beatricie
uxoris sue sicut supra continetur. In thes. CCCC m. Et debet M et CCC
et quarter XX et iij li. et dim. m. De quibus debet reddere per annum
CCCC m." [Reference: Doris M. Stenton, ed., The Great Roll of the
Pipe for the Thirteenth Year of the Reign of King John, Michaelmas 1211
(Pipe Roll Soc. n.s. 28) (1953): 4,21].

Taking these records together, it appears that Hubert de Burgh and
Beatrice de Warenne were married sometime between Michaelmas 1210 and
Michaelmas 1211.

Elsewhere, Clay shows that Hubert de Burgh was actually Beatrice de
Warenne's third husband, not her second husband, as stated by Complete
Peerage:

"Beatrice de Warenne, sole heir to her father at his death. At
Michaelmas 1209 she accounted 3100 marks to be paid within four years
of her having her father's lands and tenements which were her
inheritance, and her reasonable dower from the tenements of Doun
Bardolf formerly her husband, and that she should not be distrained to
marry, and that her father's debts due to the king should be paid from
the chattels belonging to her father and to Milisent her father's wife
on the day of his death. She occurs as the widow of Doun Bardolf on 13
March 1204-5, when Ruskington, co. Lincoln, was assigned for her dower
from his lands."

"Described as Beatrice daughter of William de Warenne she issued a
charter to the priory of Southwark, in her widowhood after the death of
Ralph her husband, confrming her father's gift of 60 acres of land in
Fortiscrea [Foots Cray, Kent], for the health of Reginald de Warenne
her grandfather, Alice her grandmother, William her father, Beatrice
her mother, Reginald her brother, whose body rested at Southwark,
Isabel her sister, and her own. This charter, evidently issued after
her father's death, shows in conjunction with the Pipe Roll entry that
in or after the year ending at Michaelmas 1209 she married as her
second husband a certain Ralph. This marriage was of short duration,
for soon afterwards she married Hubert de Burgh as his first wife, and
as his wife she died shortly before 18 Dec. 1214." [Reference: Clay,
Early Yorkshire Charters, 8 (1949): 34].

Thus, the order of Beatrice de Warenne's three marriages were:

(1) Doun Bardolf, who died shortly before 24 Feb. 1204/5.

(2) in or shortly after Michaelmas 1209 Ralph, surname unknown.

(3) before Michaelmas 1211 Sir Hubert de Burgh, afterwards Earl of
Kent.

Clay interprets the Michaelmas 1209 Pipe Roll entry to mean that
Beatrice de Warenne had not yet married her second husband, Ralph, as
reference is only made to Beatrice's first husband, Doun Bardolf, in
this record. However, if Beatrice's second husband, Ralph, was not a
tenant in chief of the king, the king would have no concern of
Beatrice's dower from that marriage. As such, it seems possible to me
that Beatrice was already widowed for the second time in Michaelmas
1209, when she was given permission to remarry without distraint.
Regardless, I've set the chronology of her three marriages above
following Clay's interpretation of this record.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

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