Bisset with dilemmas: Manasser and his descendants

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Bisset with dilemmas: Manasser and his descendants

Legg inn av Gjest » 10 jan 2006 13:43:02

Tuesday, 10 January, 2005


Hello All,

Manasser Bisset, of Kidderminster, co. Worcs. & c., is given
in Sanders as being succeeded by his son Henry: Henry then in
turn by sons William (allegedly d.s.p. 1220) and John (d. bef
24 Aug 1241) [1].

Contrary to this descent is the following pedigree:


' Curia Regis Roll. No. 111. 17. Hen. 3. m. 3.

Glouc. - John Bisset sued the Abbot of Cirencester for
land in Wigewant.

Manasser Biset, seised temp. H. 2.
I
Henry.
I
William.
I
John Biset, the plaintiff. ' [2]


Assuming no transcription error, certainly John Biset (or
Bisset) knew who his father was. The chronology concerning the
immediate descendants of John Bisset would not conflict with
this, as far as I see it. The chronology concerning John
Bisset's marriage to Alice Basset (as 2nd husband) would appear
to tighten things a bit, but not problematically. Further,
the assignment of Margaret, wife of Sir Roger la Zouche, as
a daughter of Henry Bisset might also be assigned to William
('did not dsp') Bisset his son instead: this would held
explain a son William la Zouche, vs. a 'missing' Henry.....

Cheers,

John *



NOTES

[1] Sanders, English Baronies, pp. 6, 52.

[2] Hon. George Wrottesley, Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls,
The Genealogist (N.S.), XX:224.


* John P. Ravilious

Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: Bisset with dilemmas: Manasser and his descendants

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 10 jan 2006 14:21:01

In message of 10 Jan, Therav3@aol.com wrote:

Manasser Bisset, of Kidderminster, co. Worcs. & c., is given
in Sanders as being succeeded by his son Henry: Henry then in
turn by sons William (allegedly d.s.p. 1220) and John (d. bef
24 Aug 1241) [1].

Contrary to this descent is the following pedigree:


' Curia Regis Roll. No. 111. 17. Hen. 3. m. 3.

Glouc. - John Bisset sued the Abbot of Cirencester for
land in Wigewant.

Manasser Biset, seised temp. H. 2.
I
Henry.
I
William.
I
John Biset, the plaintiff. ' [2]


Assuming no transcription error, certainly John Biset (or
Bisset) knew who his father was. The chronology concerning the
immediate descendants of John Bisset would not conflict with
this, as far as I see it. The chronology concerning John
Bisset's marriage to Alice Basset (as 2nd husband) would appear
to tighten things a bit, but not problematically. Further,
the assignment of Margaret, wife of Sir Roger la Zouche, as
a daughter of Henry Bisset might also be assigned to William
('did not dsp') Bisset his son instead: this would held
explain a son William la Zouche, vs. a 'missing' Henry.....

I wonder if the Curia Roll was reciting the order of the holders of the
fief?

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org
             For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

Douglas Richardson

Re: Bisset with dilemmas: Manasser and his descendants

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 10 jan 2006 18:58:03

Therav3@aol.com wrote:
< Tuesday, 10 January, 2005
<
<
< Hello All,
<
< Manasser Bisset, of Kidderminster, co. Worcs. & c., is given
< in Sanders as being succeeded by his son Henry: Henry then in
< turn by sons William (d.s.p. 1220) and John (d. bef. 24 Aug
1241)..
<
< * John P. Ravilious

Dear John ~

The above Biset descent is correct.

William Biset, son and heir of Henry Biset, married after 11 Dec. 1213
Sarah de Huntingfield, daughter of William de Huntingfeild, the Magna
Carta baron. William Biset died without issue before 1 Nov. 1220. His
widow, Sarah, married (2nd) in or after 1221 (when she was in the
king's gift) Richard de Keynes (or Kaynes) (died 1241), of Horsted
Keynes, Sussex. They had two sons, William and Richard, and one
daughter. For further particulars, see Douglas Richardsn, Magna Carta
Ancestry (2005): 506-507.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

Douglas Richardson

Re: Bisset with dilemmas: Manasser and his descendants

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 10 jan 2006 19:57:58

Ther...@aol.com wrote:

< Tuesday, 10 January, 2005
<
<
< Hello All,
<
< Manasser Bisset, of Kidderminster, co. Worcs. & c., is given
< in Sanders as being succeeded by his son Henry: Henry then in
< turn by sons William (d.s.p. 1220) and John (d. bef. 24 Aug
1241)..
<
< * John P. Ravilious

Dear John ~

The above Biset descent is correct.

William Biset, son and heir of Henry Biset, married after 11 Dec. 1213
Sarah de Huntingfield, daughter of William de Huntingfield, the Magna
Carta baron. William Biset died without issue before 1 Nov. 1220. His
widow, Sarah, married (2nd) in or after 1221 (when she was in the
king's gift) Richard de Keynes (or Kaynes) (died 1241), of Horsted
Keynes, Sussex. They had two sons, William and Richard, and one
daughter. For further particulars, see Douglas Richardsn, Magna Carta
Ancestry (2005): 506-507.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

Leo van de Pas

Self promotion with a twist Re: Bisset with dilemmas: Manass

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 11 jan 2006 01:28:02

Richardson is at it again----- Digest what he is saying------the above is
correct because I say so-----well, I say so in my book Magna Carta
Ancestry---and if you really want to know who says this, you have to buy
this book or find this book in a library. Then see what I say in that book
are the sources, and then check out the sources to see who really said it,
because I Douglas Richardson as a person cannot be regarded as the source.


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: Bisset with dilemmas: Manasser and his descendants


Therav3@aol.com wrote:
Tuesday, 10 January, 2005


Hello All,

Manasser Bisset, of Kidderminster, co. Worcs. & c., is given
in Sanders as being succeeded by his son Henry: Henry then in
turn by sons William (d.s.p. 1220) and John (d. bef. 24 Aug
1241)..

* John P. Ravilious

Dear John ~

The above Biset descent is correct.

William Biset, son and heir of Henry Biset, married after 11 Dec. 1213
Sarah de Huntingfield, daughter of William de Huntingfeild, the Magna
Carta baron. William Biset died without issue before 1 Nov. 1220. His
widow, Sarah, married (2nd) in or after 1221 (when she was in the
king's gift) Richard de Keynes (or Kaynes) (died 1241), of Horsted
Keynes, Sussex. They had two sons, William and Richard, and one
daughter. For further particulars, see Douglas Richardsn, Magna Carta
Ancestry (2005): 506-507.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net


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