George Bush's alleged descent from Pocahontas

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George Bush's alleged descent from Pocahontas

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 10 jan 2006 07:26:25

Dear Newsgroup ~

The following information regarding President George W. Bush's alleged
descent from the Indian princess, Pocahontas, is taken from the
following weblink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pocahontas

While President Bush's link to Pocahontas may be debatable, he
possesses at least two valid descents from King Edward I of England
through Anne Broadnax, wife of Robert Munford, who is mentioned below
under Generation 8.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pocahontas

Bushes are not directly descended from Pocahontas

Since this erroneous factoid gets reinserted from time-to-time -- for
the record neither U.S. President Bush was directly descended from
Pocahontas. Pocahontas's only grandchild was Jane Rolfe who married
Robert Bolling. Their only child was John Bolling, who married Mary
Kennon. Mary Kennon's sister was Martha Kennon who was an ancestor of
the Bushes. A second connection is that after Jane Rolfe's death,
Robert Bolling remarried to Ann Stith. They had several children,
including one also named Robert Bolling. This Robert Bolling, who was a
half-brother to John Bolling, was also an ancestor of the Bushes. So
there are two indirect relations with Pocahontas but no direct blood
lineage. [[User:Bkonrad|older≠wiser]] 15:35, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Actually, the most thorough genealogy I've come across shows that
President Bush is, in fact, a Pocahontas descendant - it shows Robert
Bolling,Jr. to be Jane Rolf's son. I've done a cut-and-past job from
that website (I hope I don't get charged with copyvio). The line goes
thus:

GENERATION 13 4564. John ROLFE was born 1585 in Heacham, Norfolk, ,
England and was christened 6 May 1585 in Heacham, Norfolk, , England.
He died 22 Mar 1622 in Jamestown, James City, , Virginia,USA. John
married Pocahontas Motoaka - (Princess) on 5 Apr 1614 in Jamestown, , ,
Virginia,USA. [Parents]

4565. Pocahontas Motoaka - (Princess) was born about 1595 in
Werowocomoco, , , Virginia,USA. She died Mar 1617 in Gravesend, Kent, ,
England and was buried 21 Mar 1617 in St. George's, Gravesend, Kent,
England. [Parents]

GENERATION 12 2282. Thomas ROLFE (Lieutenant) was born 30 Jan 1615 in
Jamestown, Virginia, USA. He died 1656 in Virginia, USA. Thomas married
Jane POYTHRESS in , , , Virginia,USA. [Parents]

2283. Jane POYTHRESS was born about 1620 in Jamestown, Virginia, USA.
She died 1676 in Charles City, Virginia, USA. [Parents]

GENERATION 11 1140. Robert BOLLING (Colonel) was born 26 Dec 1646 in
All Hallows, London, Middlesex, England. He died 7 Jul 1709 in Kippax,
Charles City, Virginia, USA and was buried 17 Jul 1709 in Kippax,
Charles City, Virginia, USA. Robert married Jane ROLFE on 1675 in
Petersburg, Ind. City, , Virginia,USA. [Parents]

1141. Jane ROLFE was born 10 Oct 1650 in Petersburg, Virginia, USA. She
died 1676 in Kippax, Charles City, , Virginia,USA. [Parents]

GENERATION 10 570. Robert BOLLING (Jr.) (Major) was born 25 Jan 1681 in
Charles City, Virginia, USA. He died before 3 Jan 1748/1749 in , ,
Prince George, Virginia,USA. Robert married Anne May COCKE on 27 Jun
1706. [Parents]

571. Anne May COCKE was born 27 Jan 1705 in Prince George County,
Virginia. [Parents]

GENERATION 9 284. James MUNFORD (Major) was born 1708 in Prince George
County, Virginia. He died 25 Apr 1754 in Prince George County,
Virginia. James married Elizabeth BOLLING on 1727 in Amelia County,
Virginia. [Parents]

285. Elizabeth BOLLING was born 17 Dec 1709 in Prince George County,
Virginia. She died 1754 in Amelia County, Virginia. [Parents]

GENERATION 8 142. Robert MUNFORD married Anne BROADNAX. [Parents]

143. Anne BROADNAX was born in Charles City County, Virginia. She died
after 1780. [Parents]

GENERATION 7 70. John SHELLMAN (Jr.) was born 5 May 1756 in
Frederickstown, , , Maryland,USA. He died 17 Apr 1838 in Savannah, , ,
Georgia,USA. John married Clarissa MUNFORD. [Parents]

71. Clarissa MUNFORD was born in Amelia County, Virginia. She died Feb
1845. [Parents]

GENERATION 6 34. Samuel Howard FAY was born 21 Jul 1804 in Cambridge, ,
Middlesex, Massachusetts,USA. He died 16 Aug 1847 in Brooklyn, , , New
York,USA. Samuel married Susan SHELLMAN on 5 Jul 1825 in Savannah, , ,
Georgia,USA. [Parents]

35. Susan SHELLMAN was born 20 Feb 1808 in Savannah, , , Georgia,USA.
She died 12 Jan 1887. [Parents]

GENERATION 5 16. James Smith BUSH (Reverend) was born 15 Jun 1825 in
Rochester, , Monroe, New York,USA. He died 11 Nov 1889 in Ithaca, ,
Tompkins, New York,USA. James married Harriet Eleanor FAY on 24 Feb
1859 in New York City, , , New York,USA. [Parents]

17. Harriet Eleanor FAY was born 29 Oct 1829 in Savannah, , Chatham,
Georgia,USA. She died 27 Feb 1924 in Boston, , Suffolk,
Massachusetts,USA. [Parents]

GENERATION 4 8. Samuel Prescott BUSH was born 4 Oct 1863 in Brick
Church, , , New Jersey,USA. He died 8 Feb 1948 in Columbus, , Franklin,
Ohio,USA. Samuel married Flora SHELDON on 20 Jun 1894 in Columbus, , ,
Ohio,USA. [Parents]

9. Flora SHELDON was born 17 Mar 1872 in , Franklin, , Ohio,USA. She
died 4 Sep 1920 in Watch Hill, , , Rhode Island,USA. [Parents]

GENERATION 3 4. Prescott Sheldon BUSH was born 15 May 1895 in Columbus,
Franklin, , Ohio,USA. He died 8 Oct 1972 in New York City, , , New
York,USA. Prescott married Dorothy WALKER on 6 Aug 1921 in
Kennebunkport, York, , Maine,USA. [Parents]

5. Dorothy WALKER was born 1 Jul 1901 in Nr. Walker's, Point, York,
Maine,USA. She died 19 Nov 1992 in Greenwich, , , Connecticut,USA.
[Parents]

GENERATION 2 2. George Herbert Walker BUSH was born 12 Jun 1924 in
Milton, Massachusetts, USA. He married Barbara PIERCE on 6 Jan 1945 in
Rye, New York, USA. [Parents]

3. Barbara PIERCE was born 8 Jun 925 in Rye, Westchester, New York,
USA. [Parents]

GENERATION 1 1. George Walker BUSH was born 6 Jul 1946 in New Haven,
New Haven, Connecticut. [Parents]

There is a tremendous amount of speculation about Pocahontas
descendents. I don't pretend to be an expert on it, but I've come
across a numer of quite convincing sites that dismiss the direct
Bush-Pocahontas lineage. [1], [2], [3], [4] indicate that Robert
BOLLING (Jr.) of Generation 10 was the child of Col. Robert Bolling
with Anne Sith not Jane Rolfe. [5] indicates Col. Robert Bolling and
Jane Rolfe had only one child, "John Bolling of "Cobbs" (Colonel) b
1676 d 1729". [6] also corroborated this. I could probably find more,
but I think I've made the point. older≠wiser 15:34, Nov 21, 2004
(UTC)

Thanks for the info. Yes, you've made your point - whether
conclusively, well, I guess we'll have to wait for further research to
tell. From my own point of view, the jury is still out on that one (but
even that's a departure from the position I would have stoutly
maintained as late as yesterday). I'll make some more comments under
Lir's, below. David Cannon 10:19, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Leo van de Pas

Re: George Bush's alleged descent from Pocahontas

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 10 jan 2006 11:57:02

Why Richardson, when talking about this wronly "alleged descent" for George
Bush, refers to a website, I do not know. His great friend Gary Boyd Roberts
in his book "Ancestors of American Presidents" page 332 also spells out this
indirect connection to, not a descent from, Pocahontas . But what is
interesting............I wonder how Richardson established that President
Bush has at least two valid descents from Edward I through Anne Broadnax,
wife of Robert Munford

Gary Boyd Roberts in his "Ancestors of American Presidents" records Anne
Broadnax twice in the index. On page 212 she is mentioned only as wife of
Robert Munford/Montfort in the line from George Walker Bush to Henry II (not
Edward I). On page 332 Anne Broadnax is mentioned again only as wife of
Robert Munford/Montfort-----she is not given parents on either page. This is
the page with the indirect link to Pocahontas, and so no Edward I.

In his 600 immigrants GBR erroneously seems to have Anne Broadnx (under
Munford) in the index recorded on page 435. In fact she is on page 436,
again only as wife of Robert Munford/Montfort, again with no parents. On
pages 435/436 a line is given from William the Lion of Scotland to George
Bush (no Edward I).

I hope that Richardson knows more than GBR and can display these "at least
two valid descents" via this Anne Brodnax/Broadnax. I have no parents for
her, and in my system her husband also has no link to Edward I.

Does this mean George W Bush is not a descendant of Edward I? No it doesn't
I have four lines between George W Bush and Edward I. I hope Richardson can
substantiate his statement.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia



----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:26 PM
Subject: George Bush's alleged descent from Pocahontas


Dear Newsgroup ~

The following information regarding President George W. Bush's alleged
descent from the Indian princess, Pocahontas, is taken from the
following weblink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pocahontas

While President Bush's link to Pocahontas may be debatable, he
possesses at least two valid descents from King Edward I of England
through Anne Broadnax, wife of Robert Munford, who is mentioned below
under Generation 8.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pocahontas

Bushes are not directly descended from Pocahontas

Since this erroneous factoid gets reinserted from time-to-time -- for
the record neither U.S. President Bush was directly descended from
Pocahontas. Pocahontas's only grandchild was Jane Rolfe who married
Robert Bolling. Their only child was John Bolling, who married Mary
Kennon. Mary Kennon's sister was Martha Kennon who was an ancestor of
the Bushes. A second connection is that after Jane Rolfe's death,
Robert Bolling remarried to Ann Stith. They had several children,
including one also named Robert Bolling. This Robert Bolling, who was a
half-brother to John Bolling, was also an ancestor of the Bushes. So
there are two indirect relations with Pocahontas but no direct blood
lineage. [[User:Bkonrad|older≠wiser]] 15:35, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Actually, the most thorough genealogy I've come across shows that
President Bush is, in fact, a Pocahontas descendant - it shows Robert
Bolling,Jr. to be Jane Rolf's son. I've done a cut-and-past job from
that website (I hope I don't get charged with copyvio). The line goes
thus:

GENERATION 13 4564. John ROLFE was born 1585 in Heacham, Norfolk, ,
England and was christened 6 May 1585 in Heacham, Norfolk, , England.
He died 22 Mar 1622 in Jamestown, James City, , Virginia,USA. John
married Pocahontas Motoaka - (Princess) on 5 Apr 1614 in Jamestown, , ,
Virginia,USA. [Parents]

4565. Pocahontas Motoaka - (Princess) was born about 1595 in
Werowocomoco, , , Virginia,USA. She died Mar 1617 in Gravesend, Kent, ,
England and was buried 21 Mar 1617 in St. George's, Gravesend, Kent,
England. [Parents]

GENERATION 12 2282. Thomas ROLFE (Lieutenant) was born 30 Jan 1615 in
Jamestown, Virginia, USA. He died 1656 in Virginia, USA. Thomas married
Jane POYTHRESS in , , , Virginia,USA. [Parents]

2283. Jane POYTHRESS was born about 1620 in Jamestown, Virginia, USA.
She died 1676 in Charles City, Virginia, USA. [Parents]

GENERATION 11 1140. Robert BOLLING (Colonel) was born 26 Dec 1646 in
All Hallows, London, Middlesex, England. He died 7 Jul 1709 in Kippax,
Charles City, Virginia, USA and was buried 17 Jul 1709 in Kippax,
Charles City, Virginia, USA. Robert married Jane ROLFE on 1675 in
Petersburg, Ind. City, , Virginia,USA. [Parents]

1141. Jane ROLFE was born 10 Oct 1650 in Petersburg, Virginia, USA. She
died 1676 in Kippax, Charles City, , Virginia,USA. [Parents]

GENERATION 10 570. Robert BOLLING (Jr.) (Major) was born 25 Jan 1681 in
Charles City, Virginia, USA. He died before 3 Jan 1748/1749 in , ,
Prince George, Virginia,USA. Robert married Anne May COCKE on 27 Jun
1706. [Parents]

571. Anne May COCKE was born 27 Jan 1705 in Prince George County,
Virginia. [Parents]

GENERATION 9 284. James MUNFORD (Major) was born 1708 in Prince George
County, Virginia. He died 25 Apr 1754 in Prince George County,
Virginia. James married Elizabeth BOLLING on 1727 in Amelia County,
Virginia. [Parents]

285. Elizabeth BOLLING was born 17 Dec 1709 in Prince George County,
Virginia. She died 1754 in Amelia County, Virginia. [Parents]

GENERATION 8 142. Robert MUNFORD married Anne BROADNAX. [Parents]

143. Anne BROADNAX was born in Charles City County, Virginia. She died
after 1780. [Parents]

GENERATION 7 70. John SHELLMAN (Jr.) was born 5 May 1756 in
Frederickstown, , , Maryland,USA. He died 17 Apr 1838 in Savannah, , ,
Georgia,USA. John married Clarissa MUNFORD. [Parents]

71. Clarissa MUNFORD was born in Amelia County, Virginia. She died Feb
1845. [Parents]

GENERATION 6 34. Samuel Howard FAY was born 21 Jul 1804 in Cambridge, ,
Middlesex, Massachusetts,USA. He died 16 Aug 1847 in Brooklyn, , , New
York,USA. Samuel married Susan SHELLMAN on 5 Jul 1825 in Savannah, , ,
Georgia,USA. [Parents]

35. Susan SHELLMAN was born 20 Feb 1808 in Savannah, , , Georgia,USA.
She died 12 Jan 1887. [Parents]

GENERATION 5 16. James Smith BUSH (Reverend) was born 15 Jun 1825 in
Rochester, , Monroe, New York,USA. He died 11 Nov 1889 in Ithaca, ,
Tompkins, New York,USA. James married Harriet Eleanor FAY on 24 Feb
1859 in New York City, , , New York,USA. [Parents]

17. Harriet Eleanor FAY was born 29 Oct 1829 in Savannah, , Chatham,
Georgia,USA. She died 27 Feb 1924 in Boston, , Suffolk,
Massachusetts,USA. [Parents]

GENERATION 4 8. Samuel Prescott BUSH was born 4 Oct 1863 in Brick
Church, , , New Jersey,USA. He died 8 Feb 1948 in Columbus, , Franklin,
Ohio,USA. Samuel married Flora SHELDON on 20 Jun 1894 in Columbus, , ,
Ohio,USA. [Parents]

9. Flora SHELDON was born 17 Mar 1872 in , Franklin, , Ohio,USA. She
died 4 Sep 1920 in Watch Hill, , , Rhode Island,USA. [Parents]

GENERATION 3 4. Prescott Sheldon BUSH was born 15 May 1895 in Columbus,
Franklin, , Ohio,USA. He died 8 Oct 1972 in New York City, , , New
York,USA. Prescott married Dorothy WALKER on 6 Aug 1921 in
Kennebunkport, York, , Maine,USA. [Parents]

5. Dorothy WALKER was born 1 Jul 1901 in Nr. Walker's, Point, York,
Maine,USA. She died 19 Nov 1992 in Greenwich, , , Connecticut,USA.
[Parents]

GENERATION 2 2. George Herbert Walker BUSH was born 12 Jun 1924 in
Milton, Massachusetts, USA. He married Barbara PIERCE on 6 Jan 1945 in
Rye, New York, USA. [Parents]

3. Barbara PIERCE was born 8 Jun 925 in Rye, Westchester, New York,
USA. [Parents]

GENERATION 1 1. George Walker BUSH was born 6 Jul 1946 in New Haven,
New Haven, Connecticut. [Parents]

There is a tremendous amount of speculation about Pocahontas
descendents. I don't pretend to be an expert on it, but I've come
across a numer of quite convincing sites that dismiss the direct
Bush-Pocahontas lineage. [1], [2], [3], [4] indicate that Robert
BOLLING (Jr.) of Generation 10 was the child of Col. Robert Bolling
with Anne Sith not Jane Rolfe. [5] indicates Col. Robert Bolling and
Jane Rolfe had only one child, "John Bolling of "Cobbs" (Colonel) b
1676 d 1729". [6] also corroborated this. I could probably find more,
but I think I've made the point. older≠wiser 15:34, Nov 21, 2004
(UTC)

Thanks for the info. Yes, you've made your point - whether
conclusively, well, I guess we'll have to wait for further research to
tell. From my own point of view, the jury is still out on that one (but
even that's a departure from the position I would have stoutly
maintained as late as yesterday). I'll make some more comments under
Lir's, below. David Cannon 10:19, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)



joe

Re: George Bush's alleged descent from Pocahontas

Legg inn av joe » 10 jan 2006 17:27:01

Actually, the most thorough genealogy I've come across shows that
President Bush is, in fact, a Pocahontas descendant - it shows Robert
Bolling,Jr. to be Jane Rolf's son.

I can't imagine where the belief that Robert Bolling, Jr was Jane
Rolf's son, and not Ann Stith's son came from, or why this perpetuates.

Jane Rolfe died in 1676.
Robert Bolling was born 1682

joe

Re: George Bush's alleged descent from Pocahontas

Legg inn av joe » 10 jan 2006 17:30:11

Oh, OK. I have now visited the wiki page, and see that even in that
same page, the author of the information corrects it as follows:

from wiki Pocahontas::talk:
---
I think I need to revert my own edition. I've had some correspondence
with the author of the genealogical site I referred to, and this
convinces me that older≠wiser is right. I print (in full) my e-mail
to the author, and his reply:

Dear Dr. Barker,
I have been researching the family tree of President George W. Bush,
and have found your online genealogy very helpful. It is the most
comprehensive that I have found.
There is one problem that I'd like to hear your comments on. Your
genealogy shows that President Bush is a descendant of Pocahontas
through Jane Rolfe (1141). I (and a number of others) have tried
inserting the information in Wikipedia (an online encyclopedia), but a
number of others have drawn my attention to other websites that dispute
the link, claiming that the younger Bolling was the son of Anne Sith,
not Jane Rolfe. Even on your genealogy, I find a problem with it,
namely this:
Jane Rolfe died in 1676.
Her supposed son, Robert Bolling, Jr. (570), was born in 1682.
I got these dates from your genealogy. Now, how can someone be born six
years after his mother has died? Either the dates are wrong (quite
possible), or the link is wrong (equally possible).
Something in me really wants to find that President Bush is a
Pocahontas descendant, but the internal contradiction in the data makes
the connection appear tenuous at best. What are your thoughts on this
matter?
Yours sincerely,
David Cannon.
Dr Barker's reply:
This is a wrong connection, he descends from the Stith connection, and
not the Boling. Sorry for the problem, we have corrected it in our
files, but we have not yet put up the correction on the Internet. Sorry

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