Alix of Flanders-Richebourg (d.1346): who was her mother?

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Tony Hoskins

Alix of Flanders-Richebourg (d.1346): who was her mother?

Legg inn av Tony Hoskins » 08 jan 2006 00:36:01

Two excellent online sources differ in listing the mother of Alix of
Flanders, heiress of Richebourg ([b.c.1322, per Marek] d. 1346, wife of
Jean I de Luxembourg, Comte de Ligny (d. 1364), daughter of Guy of
Flanders, seigneur de Richebourg (d.1345). According to these sources
Alix' mother was:

1) Beatrix, Lady of Putten and Strijen (md. Oct 1321, d. 18 June 1354).
[Miroslav Marek
http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders5.html ]

or

2) Marie d'Enghien, Burgravine of Ghent, Lady of Zotteghem.
[Leo van de Pas,
http://www.genealogics.org/descend.php? ... 3&tree=LEO

Thanks.

Tony Hoskins

Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404

707/545-0831, ext. 562

Leo van de Pas

Re: Alix of Flanders-Richebourg (d.1346): who was her mother

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 08 jan 2006 01:11:02

It was the sadly missed on Gen-Med Bert Kamp who pointed out the chronology
to me

Guy of Flanders married (1) Marie d'Enghien she died in 1318 and (2) in 1321
Beatrix van Putten

His daughter Alice married in 1330 and had a child in 1331. Surely we can
discount that a nine year old marries, consumates the marriage and age 10
gives birth?
Leo

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Subject: Alix of Flanders-Richebourg (d.1346): who was her mother?


Two excellent online sources differ in listing the mother of Alix of
Flanders, heiress of Richebourg ([b.c.1322, per Marek] d. 1346, wife of
Jean I de Luxembourg, Comte de Ligny (d. 1364), daughter of Guy of
Flanders, seigneur de Richebourg (d.1345). According to these sources
Alix' mother was:

1) Beatrix, Lady of Putten and Strijen (md. Oct 1321, d. 18 June 1354).
[Miroslav Marek
http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders5.html ]

or

2) Marie d'Enghien, Burgravine of Ghent, Lady of Zotteghem.
[Leo van de Pas,
http://www.genealogics.org/descend.php? ... 3&tree=LEO

Thanks.

Tony Hoskins

Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404

707/545-0831, ext. 562


Willem Nabuurs

RE: Alix of Flanders-Richebourg (d.1346): who was her mother

Legg inn av Willem Nabuurs » 08 jan 2006 10:16:02

Furthermore, Beatrix of Putten died without heirs, and her lands (Putten and
Strijen) were inherited by her sisters grandson Sweder of Abcoude, lord of
Gaesbeek. Were Alice a daughter of Beatrix, she probably would have
inherited these lands. So not only chronology but also inheritance of lands
conflicts with Alice being the daughter of Guy of Flanders and Beatrix of
Putten.

I only have one recorded son for Beatrix, named Hugo, from her Beatrix's
first marriage with Hugo V of Gaunt. He died before 7 may 1333, so well
before his mother, who died 18 june 1354.

Willem Nabuurs

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Leo van de Pas [mailto:leovdpas@netspeed.com.au]
Verzonden: zondag 8 januari 2006 1:10
Aan: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Onderwerp: Re: Alix of Flanders-Richebourg (d.1346): who was her mother?

It was the sadly missed on Gen-Med Bert Kamp who pointed out the chronology
to me

Guy of Flanders married (1) Marie d'Enghien she died in 1318 and (2) in 1321

Beatrix van Putten

His daughter Alice married in 1330 and had a child in 1331. Surely we can
discount that a nine year old marries, consumates the marriage and age 10
gives birth?
Leo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Hoskins" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:34 AM
Subject: Alix of Flanders-Richebourg (d.1346): who was her mother?


Two excellent online sources differ in listing the mother of Alix of
Flanders, heiress of Richebourg ([b.c.1322, per Marek] d. 1346, wife of
Jean I de Luxembourg, Comte de Ligny (d. 1364), daughter of Guy of
Flanders, seigneur de Richebourg (d.1345). According to these sources
Alix' mother was:

1) Beatrix, Lady of Putten and Strijen (md. Oct 1321, d. 18 June 1354).
[Miroslav Marek
http://genealogy.euweb.cz/flanders/flanders5.html ]

or

2) Marie d'Enghien, Burgravine of Ghent, Lady of Zotteghem.
[Leo van de Pas,
http://www.genealogics.org/descend.php? ... 3&tree=LEO

Thanks.

Tony Hoskins

Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404

707/545-0831, ext. 562


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