Dear Newsgroup ~
The authoritative Complete Peerage, 5 (1926): 253-254 (sub Fanhope) has
a good account of the life history of Sir John Cornwall (died 1443),
Lord Fanhope, whose second wife, Elizabeth Lancaster, was the sister of
King Henry IV of England. Regarding Sir John Cornwall's death and
burial, the following information is given:
"He died at Ampthill, s.p.s. legit., 10 or 11 Dec. 1443, and was buried
at the Friars Preachers, by Ludgate."
The source given for Sir John Cornwall's death is an abstract of his
inquisitions post mortem cited on pg. 200 under the Exeter account in
the same volume of C.P. The source given for his burial is Stow.
John Benet's Chronicle also records Sir John Cornwall's death and
burial. This source doesn't appear to be cited by Complete Peerage.
Benet's Chronicle indicates that Sir John Cornwall died before 6
December 1443, and was buried in the Friars Preachers in London:
" ... Et ante festum sancti Nicholai [6 Dec. 1443] obiit dominus
Johannes Cornewayle pro tunc dominus de la Wawnoppe et humatus apud
Fratres Predicatores in Lundon."). [Reference: Harriss & Harriss
"John Benet's Chronicle for the years 1400 to 1462" in Camden
Miscellany Vol. XXIV (Camden 4th ser. 9) (1972): 190].
In a footnote, the modern editor of Benet's Chronicle states that Sir
John Cornwall's "place of burial is also noted in Bale's Chronicle,
S.T.C., p. 117," which work I haven't consulted.
Complete Peerage, 5 (1926): 254, footnote f (sub Fanhope), states that
Sir John Cornwall and his wife, Elizabeth Lancaster, had a legitimate
son, Sir John Cornwall, who died at the siege of Meaux in 1421. No
documentation is provided for this statement. This couple also
allegedly had a daughter, Constance Cornwall, who was the first wife
(or contracted wife) of Sir John Arundel, Earl of Arundel, for which
see Complete Peerage, 1 (1910): 247-248 (sub Arundel). Again, no
documentation is given by Complete Peerage for this information.
Perhaps someone knowledgeable about the Cornwall family can supply the
documentation for these two Cornwall children, who were nephew and
niece respectively of King Henry IV of England.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
C.P. Addition: Death, burial, and issue of Sir John Cornwall
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Re: C.P. Addition: Death, burial, and issue of Sir John Corn
Hi Douglas
This John de Cornwall (d. 1443) is generally identified as a son of a
John de Cornwall and a "niece of the Duke of Bretagne"
John de Montfort ( d. 1399) was Duc de Bretagne at this time.
He is said (Leese, Previtte-Orton, etc.) to be the only son of Jean IV
de Dreux (d. 1345) and Joan de Flanders.
However, this couple has a daughter Joan married (as his 2nd wife) to
Sir Ralph Basset ( d. 1390) Lord Basset of Drayton. Lord Basset dsp.
What is interesting is that if this marriage didn't take place until
"bef 21 Oct 1385" she would have been nearly 40.
Does anyone know if she had an earlier marriage or some of this dating
is wrong?
Is it possible that she was the mother of the unknown niece of Bretagne
married to John de Cornwall?
Doug Smith
This John de Cornwall (d. 1443) is generally identified as a son of a
John de Cornwall and a "niece of the Duke of Bretagne"
John de Montfort ( d. 1399) was Duc de Bretagne at this time.
He is said (Leese, Previtte-Orton, etc.) to be the only son of Jean IV
de Dreux (d. 1345) and Joan de Flanders.
However, this couple has a daughter Joan married (as his 2nd wife) to
Sir Ralph Basset ( d. 1390) Lord Basset of Drayton. Lord Basset dsp.
What is interesting is that if this marriage didn't take place until
"bef 21 Oct 1385" she would have been nearly 40.
Does anyone know if she had an earlier marriage or some of this dating
is wrong?
Is it possible that she was the mother of the unknown niece of Bretagne
married to John de Cornwall?
Doug Smith
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Brad
Re: C.P. Addition: Death, burial, and issue of Sir John Corn
Douglas Richardson wrote:
Douglas,
FWIW, the new Oxford Dictionary of National Biography article on
Fanhope uses the 11 December 1443 date for his death.
The son, John Cornewall, was baptized on 15 February 1405, and his
uncle King Henry IV was a godfather (per the ODNB article on Fanhope).
CP's source for this was Tierney's "History and Antiquities of the
Castle and Town of Arundel" (1834). Tierney's source, in turn, was
"Ms. Ashmole: 8467" which was quoting "Liber S'c'i Albani, fol. 159".
Elizabeth of Lancaster married Sir John Cornewall, Lord Fanhope, in
1400, and already had a daughter named Constance from her marriage to
John Holland, earl of Huntingdon. Constance Holland was widowed in
1405 by the execution of her husband Thomas Mowbray, Earl Marshal. But
Constance Holland was born in 1387, so far too old to be considered a
wife for John Arundel, born in 1408.
Elizabeth of Lancaster (born by February 1363) was at least 37 when she
married Cornewall (who was about ten years younger than her), and at
least 42 when she gave birth to their son John in February 1405. So if
she had a second daughter named Constance, the girl was probably born
1401-1404.
Hope this helps.
Cheers, --------Brad
"He died at Ampthill, s.p.s. legit., 10 or 11 Dec. 1443, and was buried
at the Friars Preachers, by Ludgate."
The source given for Sir John Cornwall's death is an abstract of his
inquisitions post mortem cited on pg. 200 under the Exeter account in
the same volume of C.P. The source given for his burial is Stow.
John Benet's Chronicle also records Sir John Cornwall's death and
burial. This source doesn't appear to be cited by Complete Peerage.
Benet's Chronicle indicates that Sir John Cornwall died before 6
December 1443, and was buried in the Friars Preachers in London:
Douglas,
FWIW, the new Oxford Dictionary of National Biography article on
Fanhope uses the 11 December 1443 date for his death.
Complete Peerage, 5 (1926): 254, footnote f (sub Fanhope), states that
Sir John Cornwall and his wife, Elizabeth Lancaster, had a legitimate
son, Sir John Cornwall, who died at the siege of Meaux in 1421. No
documentation is provided for this statement.
The son, John Cornewall, was baptized on 15 February 1405, and his
uncle King Henry IV was a godfather (per the ODNB article on Fanhope).
This couple also
allegedly had a daughter, Constance Cornwall, who was the first wife
(or contracted wife) of Sir John Arundel, Earl of Arundel, for which
see Complete Peerage, 1 (1910): 247-248 (sub Arundel). Again, no
documentation is given by Complete Peerage for this information.
CP's source for this was Tierney's "History and Antiquities of the
Castle and Town of Arundel" (1834). Tierney's source, in turn, was
"Ms. Ashmole: 8467" which was quoting "Liber S'c'i Albani, fol. 159".
Elizabeth of Lancaster married Sir John Cornewall, Lord Fanhope, in
1400, and already had a daughter named Constance from her marriage to
John Holland, earl of Huntingdon. Constance Holland was widowed in
1405 by the execution of her husband Thomas Mowbray, Earl Marshal. But
Constance Holland was born in 1387, so far too old to be considered a
wife for John Arundel, born in 1408.
Elizabeth of Lancaster (born by February 1363) was at least 37 when she
married Cornewall (who was about ten years younger than her), and at
least 42 when she gave birth to their son John in February 1405. So if
she had a second daughter named Constance, the girl was probably born
1401-1404.
Perhaps someone knowledgeable about the Cornwall family can supply the
documentation for these two Cornwall children, who were nephew and
niece respectively of King Henry IV of England.
Hope this helps.
Cheers, --------Brad