update on Right Royal Puzzle-Prince Rupert-Attn: Leo

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update on Right Royal Puzzle-Prince Rupert-Attn: Leo

Legg inn av Ravyn, Lady Heresy » 25 des 2005 21:21:49

Dear Leo,
I hope you get this. I have found more information about #4 below--a
link I found from the LDS site has this person (Oscar below) as Richard
and has his birth as circa 1590 and has his children as Lydia and
David(b.1615), with David marrying Margaret Lasher(b.1620) and the
Peter who is my ancestor listed as their child. However family legend
has it that Peter was Lydia and Prince Rupert's son and was raised by
his Uncle and Aunt until he joined the military at age 17 and came to
New Amsterdam to fight the Dutch(where he settled and married a Dutch
woman--Grace Ffidoe, eventually ending up in New Jersey.) I got this
legend from my particular branch of the NJ Pangburn's and also from the
Ontario, CA, Pangman's and the AR Pangburn's and I did not even know we
were all connected until I started researching the family. If you
remember I am trying to find the ancestor of origin for the genetic
disorder Porphyria that I have and Prince Rupert's sister is ancestress
of 'mad' King George who was thot to have had it. Just thot you would
like the update. My email has not changed--Lady Lvs Nyt at yahoo dot
com.
Also found out some alternative spellings for the surname were:
Penkburn, Penburn, Penkbourne.
Merry Christmas,
Ravyn




"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
I have been given a lineage that could produce a gateway ancestor, but the whole story needs a lot of testing.

1.Pieter Adolphus Pangbourne, born in 1538, died in Oxfordshire
father of
2.Pieter Pangbourne Jr. born 1560
father of
3.Samuel Pangbourne, born 1580
father of
4.Oscar Pangbourne, born 1600
father of
5.Lydia Pangbourne born 1620

-------so far so good, strange exactly 20 year intervals with every generation................

Lydia is reputed to have had an affaire with Prince Rupert. Their son (?) another Pieter Pangbourne was born 1640/1642.
Prince Rupert was imprisoned in Linz in Austria from 1637 for three years. After his realease (I don't know when) he went to England and was naturalised on 19 January 1642.

This Pieter (George or Gustavus) Pangbourne was born 1640/1642 andleft England before 1660 as a soldier for the Brits to fight the Dutch in Manhatten. He owned property in Long Island in 1668 then moved to NJ. He died in 1696 in Woodbridge NJ. he married Grace Ffidoe and their son Stephen_ Pangburn_ was a founder of Elizabeth N.J. There is a line given to me to the present.

Can anyone confirm, correct or wipe this lineage? With many thanks.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

Ravyn, Lady Heresy

Re: update on Right Royal Puzzle-Prince Rupert-Attn: Leo

Legg inn av Ravyn, Lady Heresy » 25 des 2005 21:32:53

another odd thing I found--Grace Ffidoe is listed as being born in
Netherlands and also in New Amsterdam, and her name is spelled Ffidoe,
Feder and Foliot(te)! Her parents are given as Richard Ffidoe and Hanna
or Hannah with no surname but once it is listed as Foliot(te) also. I
have no idea where the Foliot(te) came into it, but I saw it mentioned
on this forum and thot it might be of interest to someone. Apparently
Grace lived to be 97 years old.

Ravyn

Leo van de Pas

Re: update on Right Royal Puzzle-Prince Rupert-Attn: Leo

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 25 des 2005 22:48:01

Dear Ravyn,

The interesting part is that if you add the newly found details, it seems to
cut Oscar-Richard from his father, as he is born now in 1590 and his father
in 1580. Still this doesn't matter as the possible line to Prince Rupert
still stands, and that is what it is all about, to see whether the genetic
line with porphyria can be established.

Sadly, there is a very good chance that your assumptions are correct but
will it ever be possible to prove them? If Lydia's brother took Lydia's son,
named Pieter, George or Gustavus, to protect her reputation, the paperwork
may well show brother David as the father of this child. You will need more
to establish Prince Rupert as the father. Prince Rupert had two other
illegitimate children who are acknowledged as his. Did he have more?

With best wishes and hopes you find more.
Leo


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ravyn, Lady Heresy" <LadyLvsNyt@yahoo.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 7:21 AM
Subject: update on Right Royal Puzzle-Prince Rupert-Attn: Leo


Dear Leo,
I hope you get this. I have found more information about #4 below--a
link I found from the LDS site has this person (Oscar below) as Richard
and has his birth as circa 1590 and has his children as Lydia and
David(b.1615), with David marrying Margaret Lasher(b.1620) and the
Peter who is my ancestor listed as their child. However family legend
has it that Peter was Lydia and Prince Rupert's son and was raised by
his Uncle and Aunt until he joined the military at age 17 and came to
New Amsterdam to fight the Dutch(where he settled and married a Dutch
woman--Grace Ffidoe, eventually ending up in New Jersey.) I got this
legend from my particular branch of the NJ Pangburn's and also from the
Ontario, CA, Pangman's and the AR Pangburn's and I did not even know we
were all connected until I started researching the family. If you
remember I am trying to find the ancestor of origin for the genetic
disorder Porphyria that I have and Prince Rupert's sister is ancestress
of 'mad' King George who was thot to have had it. Just thot you would
like the update. My email has not changed--Lady Lvs Nyt at yahoo dot
com.
Also found out some alternative spellings for the surname were:
Penkburn, Penburn, Penkbourne.
Merry Christmas,
Ravyn




"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
I have been given a lineage that could produce a gateway ancestor, but
the whole story needs a lot of testing.

1.Pieter Adolphus Pangbourne, born in 1538, died in Oxfordshire
father of
2.Pieter Pangbourne Jr. born 1560
father of
3.Samuel Pangbourne, born 1580
father of
4.Oscar Pangbourne, born 1600
father of
5.Lydia Pangbourne born 1620

-------so far so good, strange exactly 20 year intervals with every
generation................

Lydia is reputed to have had an affaire with Prince Rupert. Their son (?)
another Pieter Pangbourne was born 1640/1642.
Prince Rupert was imprisoned in Linz in Austria from 1637 for three
years. After his realease (I don't know when) he went to England and was
naturalised on 19 January 1642.

This Pieter (George or Gustavus) Pangbourne was born 1640/1642 andleft
England before 1660 as a soldier for the Brits to fight the Dutch in
Manhatten. He owned property in Long Island in 1668 then moved to NJ. He
died in 1696 in Woodbridge NJ. he married Grace Ffidoe and their son
Stephen_ Pangburn_ was a founder of Elizabeth N.J. There is a line given
to me to the present.

Can anyone confirm, correct or wipe this lineage? With many thanks.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia


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