Roger the Poitevin

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Roger the Poitevin

Legg inn av Gjest » 17 des 2005 19:54:24

Members interested in this subject can benefit from an article, "The
King and Eye," C. P. Davis in the English Historical Review No. 412,
July 1989, pp. 569-589. The journal is available in electronic form in
the JSTOR online database of journals available to subscribing
libraries.

In his article, Davis considers the way in which Malet family members
and Roger's family fell in and out of favor with William I and Henry I.
He introduces Roger this way: "Roger the Poitevin was the third
surviving son of Roger de Montgomery.... Although the younger Roger did
not inherit any of the Montgomery lands in England or Normandy, by 1086
he had obtained not only most of the estates in Lancashire, Yorkshire,
Lincolnshire, East Anglia, and elsewhere which were later called the
honor of Lancaster, but also a marriage to a Poitevin noblewoman which
gave him his nickname and eventually the title of Count..."

An appendix includes transcriptions of two charters concerning Roger,
the first with Davis' heading: "Roger the Poitevin and his wife
Almodis, Count and Countess of La Marche." It then provides the Latin
text to version C (versions A and B now lost) at the Poitiers
Bibliotheque muncipale, and begins "Ego Rotgerius comes et Almodis
comitissa mea pro salute animarum nostrarum omniumque parentum
nostrarum..."

Bob Forrest

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Re: Roger the Poitevin

Legg inn av butlergrt » 18 des 2005 01:35:29

Good Evening Bob and All,
What was the charters A, B, and C referring to?
The dates and witnesses etc. Have you any idea?
Best Regards,
Emmett

Gjest

Re: Roger the Poitevin

Legg inn av Gjest » 18 des 2005 02:00:33

Two charters are transcribed in an appendix to Davis' article. The
first is by Roger:
A. Original lost.
B. Lost 'great cartulary' of Charroux, fo. 80v.
C. Poitiers, Bibliotheque municipale, coll. Fontenau, vol. 4, p. 119
(18th century copy from B)

The appendix presents a transciption of version C, the start of which I
quoted in my original post.

The second charter is by Henry I, with this header information:

A. Original lost.
B. Poitiers, Bibliotheque municipale, coll Fontenau, vol. 55, p. 299
(18th-century copy from A, with Fonteneau's description...)
C. Poitiers, Bibliotheque municipale, coll. Fonteneau, vol. 4, fo. 160
(18th-century fair copy from B, with Fontenau's description...)

Second charter text is transcribed from version B, and begins: "Notum
sit omnibus Christiane fidei cultoribus quoniam ego Henricus Dei gratia
rex Anglorum, pro salute animarum patria et matria mee et fratrum
meorum, nec nom pro salute anime mee et Mathildis regine uxorii mee,
omniumque fidelium Dei tam vivorum quam mortuorum..."
Bob Forrest

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