The Honor of Lancaster???

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The Honor of Lancaster???

Legg inn av butlergrt » 17 des 2005 19:55:36

Good Morning,
Just exactly what does "the Honor of Lancaster" mean?

It is my understanding that Lancaster was not recognized as a county until
c. 1183.
It is my understanding that Roger de Poitou, son of Roger, forfeited his
lands under William TC, re-gained them under William Rufus, and lost them
again in 1102 under Henry I and held the original "Honor of Lancaster".

It is my understanding that Henry I gave it to Stephen of Blois c. 1126,
later King Stephen, who gave the Honor of Lancaster to his son
William,c.1153 and later held of John, count of Mortain, later king John.

I ask this as to where did the original William de Lancaster derive his
name? other than de (of) Lancaster?
Roger de Poitou is obviously related to William TC, William Rufus and by
marriage of his sister to William TC's 1/2 brother Robert. Willaim de
Lancasters alleged wife Gundred de Warren was the aunt of Isabelle de
Warrene who married William of Blois, who held the Honor of Lancaster from
his father King Stephen. This obviously would make William de Lancaster
II, cousin to William of Blois,lord of the Honor of Lancaster, born at
approximaitely the same time, c. 1130.

Now Avice de Lancaster whose father, as I understand it was Roger de
Montgomery and Ademonde de la Marche, married William Peverell. that I
understand, (of Lancaster), and her father Roger held the Honor of
Lancaster, BUT... what about William II de Lancaster's whose daughter was
also Avice de Lancaster, that allegedly married Richard de Morville? She
was born approx. 5 years after the 1st Avice death, the families obviously
knew each other I would surmise, being related more or less.
You can see where I am going with this, with the confusion of the
Lancaster line, the name (de Lancaster) had a meaning far in exception of
(of Lancaster) I think. William de Lancaster was feudal baron of
Kentall(Kendall). Yes I know the actual barony of Kendall did not exist
until later but we are talking feudal baronies here are we not? As I
understand it Lancaster was only a priory/church and a castle started by
Roger de Poitou on the site of an older Roman fortification, and did not
become chartered as a town until 1193, the closest village was Heysham, so
of what de Lancaster would Avice have been from then? Just thoughts on
working this line out, I do not give up.
Best Regards,
Emmett L. Butler

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