Fw: Roger le Poitevin

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Leo van de Pas

Fw: Roger le Poitevin

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 15 des 2005 22:39:30

Emmett Butler has apparently misread something. Roger the Poitevin was allowed to return to England, and in 1109 he is recorded at Henry I's council at Nottingham. There is no evidence of his ever being allowed to return to Lancaster, his lands were not restored to him and he did not stay.

VIctoria Chandler noted that Roger's last occurrence was at the installation of an abbot in Le Moutier d'Ahun, "an official function for the house of Charroux", i.e. his wife's family in La Marche where Orderic says he lived out his days. Chandler adds that he was "definitely dead by 1140", and the reason is that Orderic knew about his death, as simple as could be. As stated before, he did not appear in the list of dead family members written in 1123/4, but that is all we have to go on.

butlergrt

Re: Fw: Roger le Poitevin;Reply

Legg inn av butlergrt » 15 des 2005 23:03:27

Good After noon Leo,
No, I did not mis-read something. I merely stated that he returned to
England c. 1109. I did 'NOT' say that his lands were re-granted, nor did I
state that he remained for the duration of his life. Only that he returned
in 1109.
Further, as you have shown that he was alive in 1123/4 and certainly dead
before 1140, it means he was more than available to sign a charter c.
1130. Thank You for your Validation!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best Regards,
Emmett

butlergrt

Re: Fw: Roger le Poitevin;Reply

Legg inn av butlergrt » 16 des 2005 01:00:08

Good Evening Leo,
Sorry about that, I did say 'he remained there for the duration of his
life', as I said I would have to find my notes again, but that is what I
remmebered, Because Victoria Chandler says he didn't, how does she know,
Oderic doesn't specify either way as I understand his writings.
Oh, I may be incorrect, but it is my understanding that Lancaster did not
become recognized as a county until c. 1183, which is why, when talking
about Lancaster or Yorkshire there is, on the borders, alot of give and
take as I understand it. The we also have Shropshire which were some of
his holdings along with Shrewsbury, he could have been at, so......
you'll understand why I say this in my next post, regarding the honor of
Lancaster, the Montgomerii's(Roger the count), and William de Lancaster
and William(Guillame) de Blois.
Best Regards,
Emmett

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