Fw: Roger le Poitevin

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Leo van de Pas

Fw: Roger le Poitevin

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 15 des 2005 09:24:01

We know exactly what "Rogerius comes cognomine Pictavensis" meant, because Orderic tells us Roger was called "Pictavinus" and that unequivocally means "the Poitevin". But "Rogerius comes Pictavensis" normally would mean "Count Roger of Poitou" (or even "Count of Poitiers") rather more naturally than "Count Roger the Poitevin".

There is nothing to show that the monks who produced Version C knew the distinctions involved in this. By 1130 they had probably forgotten, if they had ever known, what Roger's the connection had been to Poitou. He was not likely to be called "the Poitevin" until some time after his wife had unexpectedly inherited La Marche in 1091, and he was removed from the locality of St Mary's in 1102. A document from several decades earlier stating that Roger was surnamed "Pictavensis" might have seemed just a fancy and unnecessary way of giving him the title "count of Poitou".

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