Eventual Update of Baillon Book
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John P. DuLong
Eventual Update of Baillon Book
To all of you who are interested in the ancestry of Catherine Baillon:
I have now communicated with my colleagues, Gail F. Moreau-DesHarnais,
Roland-Yves Gagné, and Joseph Dubé, and we all agree that eventually we
would like to do an update on the Baillon book with additions and
corrections. We would of course do this in honor of our friend and
project leader the late René Jetté. However, it will be several years
before we complete our current projects and are able to work together on
an update.
Meanwhile, I have promised my colleagues to keep up the binder I have
with additions and corrections to our Baillon research. I have about
two inches of materials so far. Several of the additions and
corrections have been gathered from postings on soc.genealogy.medieval.
In addition, there were many new findings published by Côté and Sini,
as well as Ouimet and Mauger, which will have to be incorporated into
our update. We will of course give proper credit to the authors of
these posts and articles.
My colleagues and I will continue to search for update materials. If
you wish to send us any additions or corrections, then please contact me
by email.
Again, I want to make sure you all understand that the update is going
to be several years in the future. When we start to work on it we will
announce that the project has begun.
Thank you for your continuing interest in our research.
JP
I have now communicated with my colleagues, Gail F. Moreau-DesHarnais,
Roland-Yves Gagné, and Joseph Dubé, and we all agree that eventually we
would like to do an update on the Baillon book with additions and
corrections. We would of course do this in honor of our friend and
project leader the late René Jetté. However, it will be several years
before we complete our current projects and are able to work together on
an update.
Meanwhile, I have promised my colleagues to keep up the binder I have
with additions and corrections to our Baillon research. I have about
two inches of materials so far. Several of the additions and
corrections have been gathered from postings on soc.genealogy.medieval.
In addition, there were many new findings published by Côté and Sini,
as well as Ouimet and Mauger, which will have to be incorporated into
our update. We will of course give proper credit to the authors of
these posts and articles.
My colleagues and I will continue to search for update materials. If
you wish to send us any additions or corrections, then please contact me
by email.
Again, I want to make sure you all understand that the update is going
to be several years in the future. When we start to work on it we will
announce that the project has begun.
Thank you for your continuing interest in our research.
JP
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Leo van de Pas
Re: Eventual Update of Baillon Book
I have been told that if you want to get something done, you should ask a
bussy person
What I am hoping for is also a companion volume with descendants
and
now I'd better hide.
Looking forward to this new edition.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
----- Original Message -----
From: "John P. DuLong" <dulongd@habitant.org>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:25 PM
Subject: Eventual Update of Baillon Book
bussy person
What I am hoping for is also a companion volume with descendants
now I'd better hide.
Looking forward to this new edition.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
----- Original Message -----
From: "John P. DuLong" <dulongd@habitant.org>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:25 PM
Subject: Eventual Update of Baillon Book
To all of you who are interested in the ancestry of Catherine Baillon:
I have now communicated with my colleagues, Gail F. Moreau-DesHarnais,
Roland-Yves Gagné, and Joseph Dubé, and we all agree that eventually we
would like to do an update on the Baillon book with additions and
corrections. We would of course do this in honor of our friend and
project leader the late René Jetté. However, it will be several years
before we complete our current projects and are able to work together on
an update.
Meanwhile, I have promised my colleagues to keep up the binder I have with
additions and corrections to our Baillon research. I have about two
inches of materials so far. Several of the additions and corrections have
been gathered from postings on soc.genealogy.medieval. In addition, there
were many new findings published by Côté and Sini, as well as Ouimet and
Mauger, which will have to be incorporated into our update. We will of
course give proper credit to the authors of these posts and articles.
My colleagues and I will continue to search for update materials. If you
wish to send us any additions or corrections, then please contact me by
email.
Again, I want to make sure you all understand that the update is going to
be several years in the future. When we start to work on it we will
announce that the project has begun.
Thank you for your continuing interest in our research.
JP
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Roger LeBlanc
Re: Eventual Update of Baillon Book
This is really great news John. I'm looking forward to it already.
But in the meantime, I do have some questions about the two generations
preceding the one I recently asked about. First concerning Adam (II) de
Baillon/Jeanne de La Saussaye. According to the Ouimet/Mauger book
Jeanne was deceased before April 1566, and Adam before 1571, but without
giving a source for either affirmation. It is mentioned that a daughter
Anne married in 1566, and another Marie, married in 1570. Would these be
factors in determining the dates?
Roger LeBlanc
But in the meantime, I do have some questions about the two generations
preceding the one I recently asked about. First concerning Adam (II) de
Baillon/Jeanne de La Saussaye. According to the Ouimet/Mauger book
Jeanne was deceased before April 1566, and Adam before 1571, but without
giving a source for either affirmation. It is mentioned that a daughter
Anne married in 1566, and another Marie, married in 1570. Would these be
factors in determining the dates?
Roger LeBlanc
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Denis Beauregard
Re: Eventual Update of Baillon Book
Le Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:12:26 +0000 (UTC), leovdpas@netspeed.com.au
("Leo van de Pas") écrivait dans soc.genealogy.medieval:
Why ? Estimates are for only 500,000 (if/when the Amiot line will be
completed, it will probably be 1 or 2 millions).
But I prefer that John and his friends focus on more Quebec gateways
than on the descendants.
Denis
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0 Denis Beauregard -
/\/ Les Français d'Amérique - http://www.francogene.com/genealogie-quebec/
|\ French in North America before 1716 - http://www.francogene.com/quebec-genealogy/
/ | Mes associations de généalogie: http://www.SGCF.com/ (soc. gén. can.-fr.)
oo oo http://www.genealogie.org/club/sglj/index2.html (soc. de gén. de La Jemmerais)
("Leo van de Pas") écrivait dans soc.genealogy.medieval:
I have been told that if you want to get something done, you should ask a
bussy person
What I am hoping for is also a companion volume with descendantsand
now I'd better hide.
Why ? Estimates are for only 500,000 (if/when the Amiot line will be
completed, it will probably be 1 or 2 millions).
But I prefer that John and his friends focus on more Quebec gateways
than on the descendants.
Denis
--
0 Denis Beauregard -
/\/ Les Français d'Amérique - http://www.francogene.com/genealogie-quebec/
|\ French in North America before 1716 - http://www.francogene.com/quebec-genealogy/
/ | Mes associations de généalogie: http://www.SGCF.com/ (soc. gén. can.-fr.)
oo oo http://www.genealogie.org/club/sglj/index2.html (soc. de gén. de La Jemmerais)
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John P. DuLong
Re: Eventual Update of Baillon Book
Leo van de Pas wrote:
Hello Leo,
Other then tracing a few vanity lines of descent, namely the authors and
some leading Québec personalities, we would never undertake to trace all
of Catherine Baillon's descendants. It would be a huge number of
descendants, somewhere between 500,000 and a million would be my guess.
Besides, we French Canadians are probably the most thoroughly studied
and documented people in the world. All our surviving baptism,
marriage, and burial records from 1620 to 1800 are computerized as are
abstracts of our notarial records. It is relatively easy to trace most
French Canadians, especially those who remained in Québec. There would
be no fun in plodding through all this data.
JP
I have been told that if you want to get something done, you should ask
a bussy person
What I am hoping for is also a companion volume with descendants
and now I'd better hide.
Hello Leo,
Other then tracing a few vanity lines of descent, namely the authors and
some leading Québec personalities, we would never undertake to trace all
of Catherine Baillon's descendants. It would be a huge number of
descendants, somewhere between 500,000 and a million would be my guess.
Besides, we French Canadians are probably the most thoroughly studied
and documented people in the world. All our surviving baptism,
marriage, and burial records from 1620 to 1800 are computerized as are
abstracts of our notarial records. It is relatively easy to trace most
French Canadians, especially those who remained in Québec. There would
be no fun in plodding through all this data.
JP
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Leo van de Pas
Re: Eventual Update of Baillon Book
Dear John,
My remark is shown to be flippant by saying I'd better hide, appreciating
the huge scope. What I tried to say is that, like many, I am fascinated by
what you are doing and look forward to the result.
Now a horrid question. You say that the French Canadians are amongst the
most studied and documented people in the world. How do they compare with
Iceland? I understand that Iceland has genealogical records from about 900
to the present and apparently pretty complete.
I have a problem with French Canadian families, I am on the other side of
the world and, except for your book on Catherine Baillon, have not seen any
genealogical books covering Canada.
With best wishes
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: "John P. DuLong" <dulongd@habitant.org>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: Eventual Update of Baillon Book
My remark is shown to be flippant by saying I'd better hide, appreciating
the huge scope. What I tried to say is that, like many, I am fascinated by
what you are doing and look forward to the result.
Now a horrid question. You say that the French Canadians are amongst the
most studied and documented people in the world. How do they compare with
Iceland? I understand that Iceland has genealogical records from about 900
to the present and apparently pretty complete.
I have a problem with French Canadian families, I am on the other side of
the world and, except for your book on Catherine Baillon, have not seen any
genealogical books covering Canada.
With best wishes
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: "John P. DuLong" <dulongd@habitant.org>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: Eventual Update of Baillon Book
Leo van de Pas wrote:
I have been told that if you want to get something done, you should ask a
bussy person
What I am hoping for is also a companion volume with descendantsand
now I'd better hide.
Hello Leo,
Other then tracing a few vanity lines of descent, namely the authors and
some leading Québec personalities, we would never undertake to trace all
of Catherine Baillon's descendants. It would be a huge number of
descendants, somewhere between 500,000 and a million would be my guess.
Besides, we French Canadians are probably the most thoroughly studied and
documented people in the world. All our surviving baptism, marriage, and
burial records from 1620 to 1800 are computerized as are abstracts of our
notarial records. It is relatively easy to trace most French Canadians,
especially those who remained in Québec. There would be no fun in
plodding through all this data.
JP
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Denis Beauregard
Re: Eventual Update of Baillon Book
Le Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:27:58 +0000 (UTC), leovdpas@netspeed.com.au
("Leo van de Pas") écrivait dans soc.genealogy.medieval:
Let's say we are good second ! An overview of the major databases:
= Quebec's catholic records from 1621 to 1799, baptisms, marriages and
burials
= most catholic marriages in Quebec from 1621 to 1940 with parents by
meging a few existing computer databases and available books
= you want to check that ? I can sell you a copy of all the
corresponding vital records from 1621 to 1940 as computer images
= non catholic records begun in 1759. There is a complete series up
to 1825 in a printed format (but parents are missing in most of
them). Fortunately very few are for descendants of our major royal
families
= all marriages and deaths indexed from 1926 to 1996 in computer
format (no parents however)
You don't read my messages ? I have the descendants available on line
until the children of parents married in 1715. Just don't try to copy
the site as a whole (the protection mechanism may return blank pages).
Ditto for other royal lines.
Denis
--
0 Denis Beauregard -
/\/ Les Français d'Amérique - http://www.francogene.com/genealogie-quebec/
|\ French in North America before 1716 - http://www.francogene.com/quebec-genealogy/
/ | Mes associations de généalogie: http://www.SGCF.com/ (soc. gén. can.-fr.)
oo oo http://www.genealogie.org/club/sglj/index2.html (soc. de gén. de La Jemmerais)
("Leo van de Pas") écrivait dans soc.genealogy.medieval:
Dear John,
My remark is shown to be flippant by saying I'd better hide, appreciating
the huge scope. What I tried to say is that, like many, I am fascinated by
what you are doing and look forward to the result.
Now a horrid question. You say that the French Canadians are amongst the
most studied and documented people in the world. How do they compare with
Iceland? I understand that Iceland has genealogical records from about 900
to the present and apparently pretty complete.
Let's say we are good second ! An overview of the major databases:
= Quebec's catholic records from 1621 to 1799, baptisms, marriages and
burials
= most catholic marriages in Quebec from 1621 to 1940 with parents by
meging a few existing computer databases and available books
= you want to check that ? I can sell you a copy of all the
corresponding vital records from 1621 to 1940 as computer images
= non catholic records begun in 1759. There is a complete series up
to 1825 in a printed format (but parents are missing in most of
them). Fortunately very few are for descendants of our major royal
families
= all marriages and deaths indexed from 1926 to 1996 in computer
format (no parents however)
I have a problem with French Canadian families, I am on the other side of
the world and, except for your book on Catherine Baillon, have not seen any
genealogical books covering Canada.
You don't read my messages ? I have the descendants available on line
until the children of parents married in 1715. Just don't try to copy
the site as a whole (the protection mechanism may return blank pages).
Ditto for other royal lines.
Denis
--
0 Denis Beauregard -
/\/ Les Français d'Amérique - http://www.francogene.com/genealogie-quebec/
|\ French in North America before 1716 - http://www.francogene.com/quebec-genealogy/
/ | Mes associations de généalogie: http://www.SGCF.com/ (soc. gén. can.-fr.)
oo oo http://www.genealogie.org/club/sglj/index2.html (soc. de gén. de La Jemmerais)
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John P. DuLong
Re: Eventual Update of Baillon Book
Interesting, I have heard about the detailed genealogical records and
genetic database for Iceland, but I really do not know that much about
it. Maybe Iceland is better documented than Québec, I would be
satisfied with second best. I know compared to other research I have
done in France, Ireland, Scotland, England, the Netherlands, and
Switzerland, I would say the records of Québec are better preserved and
organized, though they only go back to about 1620.
We have many many publications documenting our ancestry. I regret that
you do not have access to them. However, you can, for a fee, access the
PRDH database at http://www.genealogie.umontreal.ca/en/acces.htm. And,
as Denis Beauregard indicated, you can access his free database to get
an idea of the depth of our data.
By the way, some French Canadians were exiled to Australia after the
Patroites Rebellion in the late 1830s. I believe most of them returned
to Canada, but perhaps some staid behind. Others reading this message
might know their history.
JP
genetic database for Iceland, but I really do not know that much about
it. Maybe Iceland is better documented than Québec, I would be
satisfied with second best. I know compared to other research I have
done in France, Ireland, Scotland, England, the Netherlands, and
Switzerland, I would say the records of Québec are better preserved and
organized, though they only go back to about 1620.
We have many many publications documenting our ancestry. I regret that
you do not have access to them. However, you can, for a fee, access the
PRDH database at http://www.genealogie.umontreal.ca/en/acces.htm. And,
as Denis Beauregard indicated, you can access his free database to get
an idea of the depth of our data.
By the way, some French Canadians were exiled to Australia after the
Patroites Rebellion in the late 1830s. I believe most of them returned
to Canada, but perhaps some staid behind. Others reading this message
might know their history.
JP
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Gjest
Re: Eventual Update of Baillon Book
If Iceland's records are complete as far back as 900 A.D., then all of
their genealogical history is available from the beginnings or just
about. Quebec's French history starts in the early 1600's as do the
records. Both societies are thus very well documented.
Unfortunately Quebec's aboriginals dis not keep written records.
Chevron
their genealogical history is available from the beginnings or just
about. Quebec's French history starts in the early 1600's as do the
records. Both societies are thus very well documented.
Unfortunately Quebec's aboriginals dis not keep written records.
Chevron
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R Ouimet
Re: Eventual Update of Baillon Book
"Roger LeBlanc" <leblancr@mts.net> a écrit dans le message de
news:43A0E4A4.9030204@mts.net...
Bonjour,
Cela vient de Bimbenet, Gentien, "Une famille de robe parisienne au XVIe
siècle, Le Baillon", mémoire de maîtrise, Université de Paris I, 1979-1980.
Nous avons vérifié les données et n'avons pu les contredire.
This comes from Bimbenet, Gentien, "Une famille de robe parisienne au XVIe
siècle, Le Baillon", mémoire de maîtrise, Université de Paris I, 1979-1980.
We have checked the available data and we have been able to do better.
Raymond Ouimet
news:43A0E4A4.9030204@mts.net...
This is really great news John. I'm looking forward to it already.
But in the meantime, I do have some questions about the two generations
preceding the one I recently asked about. First concerning Adam (II) de
Baillon/Jeanne de La Saussaye. According to the Ouimet/Mauger book
Jeanne was deceased before April 1566, and Adam before 1571, but without
giving a source for either affirmation. It is mentioned that a daughter
Anne married in 1566, and another Marie, married in 1570. Would these be
factors in determining the dates?
Roger LeBlanc
Bonjour,
Cela vient de Bimbenet, Gentien, "Une famille de robe parisienne au XVIe
siècle, Le Baillon", mémoire de maîtrise, Université de Paris I, 1979-1980.
Nous avons vérifié les données et n'avons pu les contredire.
This comes from Bimbenet, Gentien, "Une famille de robe parisienne au XVIe
siècle, Le Baillon", mémoire de maîtrise, Université de Paris I, 1979-1980.
We have checked the available data and we have been able to do better.
Raymond Ouimet