Count Roger of Poitou

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Douglas Richardson

Count Roger of Poitou

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 11 des 2005 14:48:31

Dear Newsgroup ~

Below are styles of various ancient counts of Poitou, which information
is found on the following weblink regarding titles of European rulers:

http://www.geocities.com/eurprin/poitou.html

As best I can tell from below, in Latin the title is "comes
Pictavensis," in French it is "comes de Poitiers," and in English it is
Count of Poitou.

This would explain why William Dugdale refers to Count Roger, lord of
the honour of Lancaster in England in 1094, as "Earl Roger of
Poictiers" [see William Dugdale, Monasticon Anglicanum, 6 Pt. 2 (1830):
997].

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

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Source: http://www.geocities.com/eurprin/poitou.html

Poitou

--- the 10th century- the 12th century

@ Samples:

(Mar 939) [10: vol.16; p.26; Doc.# XIV]
< William "Tete d'Etoupes" (+963) >
Guillelmus, divina annuente misericordia Pictavorum comes

(Dec 968) [10: vol.16; p.53-54; Doc.# XXXVII]
< William "the Iron Arm" (+993/995) >
Ego Guillelmus, comes Pictavensis

(Dec 968) [10: vol.16; p.53-54; Doc.# XXXVII]
< William "the Iron Arm" (+993/995) >
Ego Guillelmus, comes Pictavensis

(1181) [10: vol.6; p.5; Doc.# 3]
< Richard "the Lionheart" (+1199), King of England 1189 >
R., comes Pictavensis,
filius regis Anglie

(1187) [10: vol.11; p.215; Doc.# CI]
Richardus, comes Pictavensis,
filius regis Anglie

(1188) [10: vol.11; p.215; Doc.# CI]
Richardus, comes Pictavensis,
filius regis Anglie


--- 1225-1249 ( Alfons )

@ Samples:

(Nov 1242) [10: vol.4; p.14]
< Alfons of France (+1271), Count of Poitou, of Toulouse >
Alfonsus, filius regis Francie,
comes Pictavensis

(Mar 1247, n.s.) [10: vol.10; p.32; Doc.# 23]
Alfonsus, filius regis Francorum,
comes Pictavensis

(1247 or 1248) [5: p.244-245]
Alfonsi[us], filius regis Francorum, comes Pictavensis

(Sep 1248) [10: vol.18; p.78; Doc.# CCCCXLVIII]
Alfonsus, filius regis Francie,
comes Pictavensis


--- 1249-1271 ( Alfons )

@ Samples:

(1250) [7: Year 1839 (vol.1); p.394]
< Alfons of France (+1271), Count of Poitou, of Toulouse >
tres noble et ... tres chier seignor Alfonz, fuiz le roi de France,
comte de Tholose et de Poitiers et
marquis de Provence

(June 1257) [15: vol.28 (Year 1893); p.133; Doc.# LXXXVIII]
Alfonsus filius regis Francie,
comes Pictavensis et Tholosani

(Mar 1262, n.s.) [10: vol. 10; p.42-43; Doc.# 32]
Alfonsus, filius regis Francie,
comes Pictavensis et Tholosanus

(May 1267) [6: vol.1; p.53; Doc.# 83]
Aufonz, fiuz de roi de France,
coens de Poitiers et de Tholose

(June 1270) [1: vol.35; p.12]
Alfonsus. filius regis Francia,
comes Pictavensis et Tholosanus

Leo van de Pas

Poitou cannot be the same as Poitiers Re: Count Roger of Poi

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 11 des 2005 19:57:02

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Subject: Count Roger of Poitou


Dear Newsgroup ~

Below are styles of various ancient counts of Poitou, which information
is found on the following weblink regarding titles of European rulers:

http://www.geocities.com/eurprin/poitou.html

As best I can tell from below, in Latin the title is "comes
Pictavensis," in French it is "comes de Poitiers," and in English it is
Count of Poitou.

The Italian city of Firenze is called Florence in the English language. No

doubt Florence is the same city as Firenze. This cannot be said about Poitou
and Poitiers. Poitou is a county and Poitiers is a city. Therefor Pictavenis
has to be translated into French the same as in English. Pictavenis has to
be either Poitou or Poitiers, it cannot be both never mind which language.

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