Orm Fitz Ketel

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Leo van de Pas

Orm Fitz Ketel

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 11 des 2005 01:26:01

To: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: Orm Fitz Ketel


I just saw your post asking about a connection of Orm fitz Ketel to
Normandy.

There was none - St Mary's in Lancaster was founded by Roger the Poitevin
in 1094 as a cell (that is, a dependency) of the abbey of Saint-Martin at
Sées in Normandy. His gift was recorded in the cartulary of Saint-Martin
without any mention of Orm as a witness. Some time later, probably between
1130 and 1150, the monks at St Mary's in Lancaster compiled a record of
Roger's gifts and then added in other people's gifts, most likely in order
to get all of these confirmed. They represented the lot as having been
given by Roger, and they gave a different set of witness names from the
earlier records made in Normandy that also didn't include the extra gifts.

The names that included Orm ~ Ketel ("Orm filius Ketel" in one version)
were perhaps donors of the other gifts, made between the foundation of St
Mary's in 1094 and the compilation of the record in 1130-50, or might have
been witnesses to these transactions that were being lumped together for
convenience, or might just have been prominent men of the time - we don't
know, as Todd has remarked, why their names were added.

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