The very much newglected younger brother Arnoul figures as an ancestor for many people,
I have already indicated a list of Gateway Ancestors who are his descendants.
Also his descendants are
Brice Clagett - Ian Fettes - John Steele Gordon - Gordon R Hale Jr - Tony Hoskins - Peter de Loriol - Andrew MacEwen - Doug McDonald - George Andrews Moriarty - Brom Nichol Jr. - Tim Powys-Lybbe - John Ravilious - Gary Boyd Roberts - Louise Staley - Don Stone - Nat Taylor - Mike Welch
also the following Presidents of the USA
1 George Washington
3 Thomas Jefferson
5 James Monroe
6 John Quincy Adams
22 & 24 Grover Cleveland
27 William Howard Taft
30 Calvin Coolidge
32 Franklin Delano Roosevelt
38 Gerald Ford
41 George H Bush
43 George W Bush
But as interesting :
Graham Greene, Christopher Isherwood, Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz, Montgomerty Clifr, Wernher von Braun, Margaret Thatcher, Eleanor Roosevelt and Humnphrey Bogart
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Arnoul de Montgommery as an ancestor
Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper
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Todd A. Farmerie
Re: Arnoul de Montgommery as an ancestor
Leo van de Pas wrote:
As I understand it, the children attached to him are traditional -
lacking contemporary documentary support.
taf
The very much newglected younger brother Arnoul figures as an ancestor for many people,
I have already indicated a list of Gateway Ancestors who are his descendants.
As I understand it, the children attached to him are traditional -
lacking contemporary documentary support.
taf
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Leo van de Pas
Re: Arnoul de Montgommery as an ancestor
Thanks for this warning. I was wondering why Burke's Peerage talks about him
and then "his descendant" several hundred years later. ES gives these
generations. Do you know where the reliability starts? Turton gives him a
daughter Alice who also figures as an ancestor of many people.
Many thanks.
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <farmerie@interfold.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Arnoul de Montgommery as an ancestor
and then "his descendant" several hundred years later. ES gives these
generations. Do you know where the reliability starts? Turton gives him a
daughter Alice who also figures as an ancestor of many people.
Many thanks.
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <farmerie@interfold.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Arnoul de Montgommery as an ancestor
Leo van de Pas wrote:
The very much newglected younger brother Arnoul figures as an ancestor
for many people,
I have already indicated a list of Gateway Ancestors who are his
descendants.
As I understand it, the children attached to him are traditional - lacking
contemporary documentary support.
taf
-
Todd A. Farmerie
Re: Arnoul de Montgommery as an ancestor
Leo van de Pas wrote:
I have not studied this in detail, I just recall seeing that there was
no documentation for any children of Arnulf. This may have been in one
of the two Arnulf articles I posted.
taf
Thanks for this warning. I was wondering why Burke's Peerage talks about
him and then "his descendant" several hundred years later. ES gives
these generations. Do you know where the reliability starts? Turton
gives him a daughter Alice who also figures as an ancestor of many people.
I have not studied this in detail, I just recall seeing that there was
no documentation for any children of Arnulf. This may have been in one
of the two Arnulf articles I posted.
taf
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Merilyn Pedrick
Re: Arnoul de Montgommery as an ancestor
From the blurb below, taken from an online book called "The Golden Falcon"
he wouldn't have had much time to father more than one child, since he
apparently died on his wedding night.
Merilyn Pedrick
"With his brother Roger, he became allies of Prince Henry against Henry I.
Seized Pembroke in 1093, it was one of two castles which remained in Norman
hands (Rhyd-y-gors being the other) when the Welsh recaptured the remainder.
He made Gerald of Windsor (son of Walter fitzOther) castellan of Pembroke.
Arnulf had been promised the daughter of Murtagh, the Irish king but she
married Seward, son of the Norwegian king instead. Roger and Arnulf were
banished after a rebellion - the latter fled to Ireland and later joined his
brother Roger in Normandy where he fought the English on the side of Fulk of
Anjou. Arnulf eventually married his Irish Princess who was a widow by then
but he died during his wedding banquet. His forfeited estates were given to
the de Clares. The 3rd earl Montgomery forfeited the earldom in 1102 for
treason against Henry I".
-------Original Message-------
From: Leo van de Pas
Date: 12/11/05 11:46:53
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Arnoul de Montgommery as an ancestor
Thanks for this warning. I was wondering why Burke's Peerage talks about him
and then "his descendant" several hundred years later. ES gives these
generations. Do you know where the reliability starts? Turton gives him a
daughter Alice who also figures as an ancestor of many people.
Many thanks.
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <farmerie@interfold.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Arnoul de Montgommery as an ancestor
he wouldn't have had much time to father more than one child, since he
apparently died on his wedding night.
Merilyn Pedrick
"With his brother Roger, he became allies of Prince Henry against Henry I.
Seized Pembroke in 1093, it was one of two castles which remained in Norman
hands (Rhyd-y-gors being the other) when the Welsh recaptured the remainder.
He made Gerald of Windsor (son of Walter fitzOther) castellan of Pembroke.
Arnulf had been promised the daughter of Murtagh, the Irish king but she
married Seward, son of the Norwegian king instead. Roger and Arnulf were
banished after a rebellion - the latter fled to Ireland and later joined his
brother Roger in Normandy where he fought the English on the side of Fulk of
Anjou. Arnulf eventually married his Irish Princess who was a widow by then
but he died during his wedding banquet. His forfeited estates were given to
the de Clares. The 3rd earl Montgomery forfeited the earldom in 1102 for
treason against Henry I".
-------Original Message-------
From: Leo van de Pas
Date: 12/11/05 11:46:53
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Arnoul de Montgommery as an ancestor
Thanks for this warning. I was wondering why Burke's Peerage talks about him
and then "his descendant" several hundred years later. ES gives these
generations. Do you know where the reliability starts? Turton gives him a
daughter Alice who also figures as an ancestor of many people.
Many thanks.
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <farmerie@interfold.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Arnoul de Montgommery as an ancestor
Leo van de Pas wrote:
The very much newglected younger brother Arnoul figures as an ancestor
for many people,
I have already indicated a list of Gateway Ancestors who are his
descendants.
As I understand it, the children attached to him are traditional - lacking
contemporary documentary support.
taf
-
Todd A. Farmerie
Re: Arnoul de Montgommery as an ancestor
Merilyn Pedrick wrote:
He wouldn't have had time for more than one child _by that wife_, but
could have had an earlier marriage.
taf
From the blurb below, taken from an online book called "The Golden Falcon"
he wouldn't have had much time to father more than one child, since he
apparently died on his wedding night.
He wouldn't have had time for more than one child _by that wife_, but
could have had an earlier marriage.
taf
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Leo van de Pas
Re: Arnoul de Montgommery as an ancestor
Dear Merilyn,
Does this book say when the wedding took place? ES tells it was 1101 and
that Arnoul was still alive about 1119. I looked in ES Volume II hoping to
find Seward son of the Norwegian king, but I couldn't.
Otto Brenner in his Nachkommen des Gorm des Alten, has a great index but
again I could not find that Seward.
Where else can we look?
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Merilyn Pedrick" <pedricks@ozemail.com.au>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Arnoul de Montgommery as an ancestor
Does this book say when the wedding took place? ES tells it was 1101 and
that Arnoul was still alive about 1119. I looked in ES Volume II hoping to
find Seward son of the Norwegian king, but I couldn't.
Otto Brenner in his Nachkommen des Gorm des Alten, has a great index but
again I could not find that Seward.
Where else can we look?
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Merilyn Pedrick" <pedricks@ozemail.com.au>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Arnoul de Montgommery as an ancestor
From the blurb below, taken from an online book called "The Golden Falcon"
he wouldn't have had much time to father more than one child, since he
apparently died on his wedding night.
Merilyn Pedrick
"With his brother Roger, he became allies of Prince Henry against Henry I.
Seized Pembroke in 1093, it was one of two castles which remained in
Norman
hands (Rhyd-y-gors being the other) when the Welsh recaptured the
remainder.
He made Gerald of Windsor (son of Walter fitzOther) castellan of Pembroke.
Arnulf had been promised the daughter of Murtagh, the Irish king but she
married Seward, son of the Norwegian king instead. Roger and Arnulf were
banished after a rebellion - the latter fled to Ireland and later joined
his
brother Roger in Normandy where he fought the English on the side of Fulk
of
Anjou. Arnulf eventually married his Irish Princess who was a widow by
then
but he died during his wedding banquet. His forfeited estates were given
to
the de Clares. The 3rd earl Montgomery forfeited the earldom in 1102 for
treason against Henry I".
-------Original Message-------
From: Leo van de Pas
Date: 12/11/05 11:46:53
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Arnoul de Montgommery as an ancestor
Thanks for this warning. I was wondering why Burke's Peerage talks about
him
and then "his descendant" several hundred years later. ES gives these
generations. Do you know where the reliability starts? Turton gives him a
daughter Alice who also figures as an ancestor of many people.
Many thanks.
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <farmerie@interfold.com
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Arnoul de Montgommery as an ancestor
Leo van de Pas wrote:
The very much newglected younger brother Arnoul figures as an ancestor
for many people,
I have already indicated a list of Gateway Ancestors who are his
descendants.
As I understand it, the children attached to him are traditional -
lacking
contemporary documentary support.
taf