Adam de Baillon date of death/partage

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Roger LeBlanc

Adam de Baillon date of death/partage

Legg inn av Roger LeBlanc » 10 des 2005 07:10:26

In reviewing the information relevant to the death and division of goods
of Adam de Baillon, the father of Alphonse and grandfather of Catherine
de Baillon, there are some points on which I am not clear. The document
of partage or division of his property which names his children is
apparently dated to January of 1617, yet his date of death has I believe
been established as November 1626.
Working only from the footnote description of this partage in the _Table
d'Ascendance de Catherine Baillon_, it also seems to indicate that
Adam's daughter Marguerite was married, but sources show that marriage
did not occur until April 1625.
Is it possible the partage has erroneously been dated to 1617 rather
than 1627? It would seem to fit better with the above details, as well
as a general assumption that the division of property would be more
likely to follow the actual death. The authors of the Table d'ascendance
must have assumed that as well, as they suggested Adam's death was prior
to 1617.

I am not intending to be critical of any of the authors concerned, I am
just wondering if we can get a clearer picture of the situation and what
others think about the question.

Roger LeBlanc

John P. DuLong

Re: Adam de Baillon date of death/partage

Legg inn av John P. DuLong » 10 des 2005 15:57:37

Thank you Roger for pointing out this mistake and thank you Jean for
making the correction. I will share this information with my colleagues.

I keep a binder now with information relating to Catherine Baillon,
namely, extensions of our original research by others, new research like
that of Côté and Seni, and other additions and corrections. It is a two
inch binder and it is more than half full. This correction will go into
the binder. What becomes of this material I do not know. I do not even
know if my colleagues are also keeping notes of necessary changes. With
René Jetté now gone and the other team members, including myself,
involved in other research projects, I myself wonder if there will ever
be a second revised edition of our book.

Regards,

JP

Roger LeBlanc

Re: Adam de Baillon date of death/partage

Legg inn av Roger LeBlanc » 10 des 2005 21:03:01

Thanks for clearing this up Jean. I do have the excellent article you
mention from Memoires. All of the information we have seems to be
corroborated if the date of the partage is not specified.
One last question about this Adam, -as he was not the spouse of the
Perette Dumesnil mentioned in the _Table d'ascendance_ is she connected
in any way to this family?

Roger LeBlanc

magnusrufus@yahoo.com wrote:

Hello Roger.

Adam de Baillon, seigneur de Valence died on November 20 1626. We do
not have the exact date of the partage which occured between his death
and November 2 1627 when his widow Renee de Maillard is refering to it
in a later act. Both dates are from the archives departementales des
Yvelines. His eldest son rendered hommage for the seigneurie de Valence
on December 12 1626 (archives nationales). So it his possible the
partage happened at that time or a bit earlier. Soon after, is younger
son Alphonse de Baillon was able to purchase the nearby estate de La
Mascotterie, on August 14 1627, probably acquired with a sum of money
he got as his portion of inheritance. Renee de Maillard herself died on
March 2 1630.

Those informations are taken from an extraodinarly well documented
article by Jean-Rene Cote and Anita Seni : La fortune de Catherine de
Baillon in MSGCF, vol. 52, num. 2, cahier 228, summer 2001, pp.
123-144.

Jean Bunot



John P. DuLong

Re: Adam de Baillon date of death/partage

Legg inn av John P. DuLong » 11 des 2005 18:56:40

Roger LeBlanc wrote:
Thanks for clearing this up Jean. I do have the excellent article you
mention from Memoires. All of the information we have seems to be
corroborated if the date of the partage is not specified.
One last question about this Adam, -as he was not the spouse of the
Perette Dumesnil mentioned in the _Table d'ascendance_ is she connected
in any way to this family?

I have reviewed the information Côté and Seni provide in their 2001
article, p. 128, n. 36, and compared it to our _Table d'ascendance_,
p.39. It does indeed appear that Adam Baillon was never married to
Perrette Dumesnil as Renée Maillard is recorded as his wife in the
marriage contract of their daughter Catherine (not to be confused with
her niece Catherine whom we descend from) on 18 May 1601. Therefore,
Perrette could not be Adam's wife in 1600 if Renée is the mother of a
daughter marrying in 1601 and she died in 1630.

Why Maquet indicates that Perrette Dumesnil is the wife of Adam de
Gaillon [sic] is beyond me unless it is a simple mistake. We would have
to consult the original documents to see why. A task I leave to someone
else. Meanwhile, I would say that Perrette Dumesnil has no proved
relationship with the Baillon family.

As for having the date wrong on the partage, this definitely seems to be
the case. Buried in my files is a photocopy of the Pièces originales
dossier with the extract of the partage. It would be interesting to
resurrect this photocopy and see if we misread the date or if it was
misread centuries ago. This is a task I will leave until I finish
reorganizing my files and I complete the current project I am working on
with my wife.

There is so much to learn from the work of Côté and Seni as well as
Ouimet and Mauger regarding Catherine Baillon's family. Someday I hope
to spend some time carefully reading through their discoveries and
handwriting additions and corrections in my copy of the _Table
d'ascendance_. I truly enjoy these additions and corrections as I
suspect my colleagues do too. It is great to see other scholars working
on Catherine's family and ancestry. I am sure René Jetté would also
have appreciated these efforts.

I would also like to compare what Côté and Seni conclude about
Catherine's reasons for migrating to New France with what Ouimet and
Mauger believe. I keep thinking it would be nice to do a simple table
comparing these two competing theories along several points and then
printing this summary in Michigan's Habitant Heritage for the benefit of
my French American cousins who no longer read our mother tongue. Someday.

Meanwhile, I must get back to working on my wife's Anglo-Irish and
Scottish ancestry. We are in the midst of writing an interesting paper
on Lt. Col. Agmondesham Muschamp, a real character. This is part of a
larger book project to document the ancestry of Maj. James Palmer. But
I can not wait until I am done with this project and can get back to my
own French ancestors who if they ever did anything wrong or immoral at
least had the good sense of not writing it down!

JP

Roger LeBlanc

Re: Adam de Baillon date of death/partage

Legg inn av Roger LeBlanc » 12 des 2005 02:38:01

Thanks John for your posts to this thread. I think it's premature to
worry about a corrected version of the _Table d'ascendance_ yet, but am
glad to know you're keeping tabs on it. The book is a great foundation
for further research, and there are as far as I know no major concerns
with the lineages. It is interesting though to try to flesh them out in
as many ways as possible.

Best of luck with your current projects.

Roger LeBlanc

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