Unamed sister of "The Red Comyn"

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Unamed sister of "The Red Comyn"

Legg inn av David Rorer » 09 des 2005 00:50:34

A recent thread concerned Sarah wife of William Comyn and I am hoping that
those on the list who are knowledgeable about the Comyn family can help
solve a minor mystery, concerning the existence of a possible sister of John
Comyn II of Badenoch, popularly known as "The Red Comyn"
..
In the history of the Clan Macnab is the following mention:
"Not a lot is known about the chiefs before Gilbert of Bovain. The last but
one, Angus of Innishewen, was he brother-in-law of the "Red Comyn" supporter
of John Balliol. He was incensed by the murder of Comyn by Robert the Bruce
and not unnaturally joined Comyn's son-in-law MacDougall of Lorn."

There is a family tree in "Robert the Bruce's Rivals: The Comyns, 1212-1314"
which shows John Comyn I of Badenoch, father of John II, having two wives.
Alicia de Lindsay of Lamberron? and Eva.
The tree also shows John I having four daughters - one named Alice and their
husbands (Richard Siward, Geoffrey Mowbray, Alexander Macdougall of Argyll
and Alexander of Moray), however no mention is seen of an Angus nor does the
tree indicate which children were by which wife.

The author of the clan history, the current chief, based the history on
notes made by his late uncle, the previous chief, and does not know the
source of the contention that Angus of Innishewen was a brother-in-law of
the "Red Comyn". Nor have I been able to verify this contention from any
other source.

Could there be another, unnamed daughter by one of these wives or possibly
by a mistress who could have married an Angus who also could have been known
as Ian and/or de Glendochart as well as of Innishewen?

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David Rorer

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Re: Unamed sister of "The Red Comyn"

Legg inn av Gjest » 09 des 2005 15:00:46

David Rorer schrieb:

A recent thread concerned Sarah wife of William Comyn and I am hoping that
those on the list who are knowledgeable about the Comyn family can help
solve a minor mystery, concerning the existence of a possible sister of John
Comyn II of Badenoch, popularly known as "The Red Comyn"
.
In the history of the Clan Macnab is the following mention:
"Not a lot is known about the chiefs before Gilbert of Bovain. The last but
one, Angus of Innishewen, was the brother-in-law of the "Red Comyn" supporter
of John Balliol.

Could the relationship not be equally accounted for by Comyn marrying
Angus's sister?

David Rorer

Re: Unamed sister of "The Red Comyn"

Legg inn av David Rorer » 13 des 2005 23:43:19

<mjcar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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David Rorer schrieb:

A recent thread concerned Sarah wife of William Comyn and I am hoping
that
those on the list who are knowledgeable about the Comyn family can help
solve a minor mystery, concerning the existence of a possible sister of
John
Comyn II of Badenoch, popularly known as "The Red Comyn"
.
In the history of the Clan Macnab is the following mention:
"Not a lot is known about the chiefs before Gilbert of Bovain. The last
but
one, Angus of Innishewen, was the brother-in-law of the "Red Comyn"
supporter
of John Balliol.

Could the relationship not be equally accounted for by Comyn marrying
Angus's sister?

John Comyn II of Badenoch m. Eleanor, sister of John de Balliol. Thus to be

his brother-in-law Angus had to have married a sister of John Comyn.
The problem is that, while the four mentioned sisters are accounted for
there is the possibility that there are other children, not mentioned,
whether by the two mentioned wives or by an unnamed concubine.

Gjest

Re: Unamed sister of "The Red Comyn"

Legg inn av Gjest » 14 des 2005 00:20:50

David Rorer schrieb:

mjcar@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:

Could the relationship not be equally accounted for by Comyn marrying
Angus's sister?

John Comyn II of Badenoch m. Eleanor, sister of John de Balliol. Thus to be
his brother-in-law Angus had to have married a sister of John Comyn.
The problem is that, while the four mentioned sisters are accounted for
there is the possibility that there are other children, not mentioned,
whether by the two mentioned wives or by an unnamed concubine.

Indeed, as long as any other marriages for the Red Comyn can be
excluded, then the relationship must call for Angus to have married a
Comyn.

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