Orm fitz Ketel

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Le Bateman

Orm fitz Ketel

Legg inn av Le Bateman » 28 nov 2005 05:16:01

Douglas in his post calls Orm, Orm fitz Ketel, yet Fletcher has Orm fitz Gamel, who is right? Is Ketel another name for Gamel. Fletcher calls Ketel, Arnketel. Are Arnketel and Gamel one and the same person? I am going by what Fletcher uses in Bloodfeud. Gamel was the son of Carl son of Þurbrand. Could someone please enlighten me.
Le

Todd A. Farmerie

Re: Orm fitz Ketel

Legg inn av Todd A. Farmerie » 28 nov 2005 05:16:02

Le Bateman wrote:
Douglas in his post calls Orm, Orm fitz Ketel, yet Fletcher has Orm fitz Gamel, who is right? Is Ketel another name for Gamel. Fletcher calls Ketel, Arnketel. Are Arnketel and Gamel one and the same person? I am going by what Fletcher uses in Bloodfeud. Gamel was the son of Carl son of Þurbrand. Could someone please enlighten me.


These are different people - Orm 'fitz' Ketel was son of Ketel 'fitz'
Eldred, and is not the same as your Orm fitz Gamel, son of Gamel 'fitz'
Carl.

taf

Gjest

Re: Orm fitz Ketel

Legg inn av Gjest » 28 nov 2005 12:14:49

"Le Bateman" schrieb:

Douglas in his post calls Orm, Orm fitz Ketel, yet Fletcher has Orm fitz Gamel, who is right? Is Ketel another name for Gamel. Fletcher calls Ketel, Arnketel. Are Arnketel and Gamel one and the same person? I am going by what Fletcher uses in Bloodfeud. Gamel was the son of Carl son of Þurbrand. Could someone please enlighten me.
Le

Looking at the stemma on page 76 of 'Bloodfeud', Orm son of Gamel
features as husband of AEthelthryth, daughter of Earl Eldred. You can
pencil Orm son of Ketel in as well, as he married G... the daughter of
Earl Gospatric, son of Earl Eldred's half-sister Edith. The two Orms
thus married (half) first cousins once removed.

Michael

Gjest

Re: Orm fitz Ketel

Legg inn av Gjest » 28 nov 2005 13:08:01

In a message dated 11/27/2005 10:36:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
LeBateman@att.net writes:

Douglas in his post calls Orm, Orm fitz Ketel, yet Fletcher has Orm fitz
Gamel, who is right? Is Ketel another name for Gamel. Fletcher calls Ketel,
Arnketel. Are Arnketel and Gamel one and the same person? I am going by what
Fletcher uses in Bloodfeud. Gamel was the son of Carl son of Þurbrand. Could
someone please enlighten me.
Le





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One Vodka: First introduced in the U.S. in 1990, Ketel One Vodka is the
creation of one of Holland's oldest distilling dynasties, the Nolet family of
Schiedam.
Margaret Sypniewski

Gjest

Re: Orm fitz Ketel

Legg inn av Gjest » 29 nov 2005 10:02:03

mjcar@btinternet.com schrieb:

Looking at the stemma on page 76 of 'Bloodfeud', Orm son of Gamel
features as husband of AEthelthryth, daughter of Earl Eldred. You can
pencil Orm son of Ketel in as well, as he married G... the daughter of
Earl Gospatric

I have been questioned off-list about my reference to "G... the
daughter of Earl Gospatric"

This is Gravilda/Gunnilda/etc/etc, wife of Orm fitz Ketel, who is
currently subject to much debate on-list.

MAR

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