Mention of the Fra(u)ncis family of London in a recent post impels me
to add the following.
According to the ODNB sub Fraunceys, and Roskell et al, HoP 1386-1421
vol 3 pp 118-119:
1. Adam Francis, married Constance
2. Adam Francis, mercer of London; elected Alderman for Queenhithe
ward, 1352; Lord Mayor, 1352-4; seven times MP for London; acquired the
manor of Wyke (1349) and property at Enfield, Tottenham and Edmonton
(including the manor in 1361), Middx, and the manors of Chobhams in
West Ham (1357) and Ruckholt in Leyton (1359), Essex; died 4 May 1375;
buried at St Helen's, Bishopsgate; married by 31 May 1359 Agnes
[?Champnes - see Tim Powys-Lybbe's post of 13.10.2002], living in 1394.
Issue:
3a. Maud [not Agnes, per HoP ref. p 119], died 1424; wife successively
to John Aubrey, Sir Alan Buxhall, KG, and John Montague, Earl of
Salisbury, KG; left issue.
3b. Sir Adam Francis, eight time MP for London; purchased the manors of
Moorhall in Writtle, Essex, and Eyworth, Beds; Sheriff of Essex &
Herts, 1392; JP for Middx from 1387; knighted by October 1382; died 23
April 1417; will proved P.C.C. 1417; married firstly by June 1372
Margaret Osterle, daughter of John & Joan Osterley of Trumpington,
Cambs; widow of Thomas Tuddenham of London; died before 1393; married
secondly Margaret Holand, sister (sic) of Sir John Holand; (she married
secondly in 1417 Conrad Ask); died 1445. Issue by first marriage:
4a. Agnes Francis, married firstly Thomas Basing; married secondly
William Standon, MP, grocer of London; married thirdly William Porter,
MP
4b. Elizabeth Francis, married Sir Thomas Charlton, MP; left issue
4c. Thomasina Francis, a nun
4d. (son), o.s.p.
4e. (son), o.s.p.
Sir Adam Francis +1417
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Gjest
Re: Sir Adam Francis +1417
Sir Adam Francis, died 1417; married firstly Margaret Osterley, widow of Thomas
Tuddenham of London; died before 1393; married secondly Margaret Holand,
died 1445. Issue by first marriage:
Evidence that Sir Adam Francis's three daughters and co-heirs were by
his first marriage and not his second is afforded by his IPMs [Cal.
IPMs Vol XX, pp 257-8]:
Adam Fraunceys, knight:
#821 writ dated 21.3.1417: Essex Inquest, Stratford 17.4.1417:
Thomas de Pateshalle held the manor of Ruckholt in his demesne as of
fee and by a fine of 1359 granted to Adam Fraunceys citizen of London
and Agnes his wife for life with successive remainder to Robert
Fraunceys and his heirs and Adam Fraunceys and the heirs of his body.
They died, Robert without heirs of his body (sic); Adam junior entered
and held in fee tail. Annual value: £12.
Thomas de Langton and Henry de Burreforde held the manor of Shabhames
and granted it to Adam Fraunceys and Agnes his wife as above. So Adam
Fraunceys junior held it; annual value: £14.
He died on 21 March last [sic; given the date of the writ, presumably
this and not 23 April is the correct date - MAR]. Agnes wife of
William Porter, knight, and Elizabeth wife of Thomas Charleton are his
daughters and heirs, aged 30 years and more, and 24 years and more.
[Thus, Agnes was born circa 1386 and Elizabeth circa 1392 - MAR]
#822 Surrey Inquest, Southwark, 1 May 1417:
By courtesy of England after the death of Margaret his wife he held a
garden in Southwark, annual value 5s; also 25 acres, 3 1/2 roods, 17
1/2 perches, 3 1/2 inches of land of the King in chief, annual value
33s 5d.
#823 Bedfordshire Inquest, Tempsford, 6 April 1417:
as of fee tail, held the manor of Eyworth and messuage and lands called
Pyrleys in Eyworth, annual value £20, the latter presmises held of
John Cokayne of Hatley, the former of Lord de Grey.
#824 Middlesex Inquest, 16 April 1417:
Held after the death of Adam Fraunceys late citizen of London in fee
tail: Edmonton manor, two messuages, 236 acres of arable, 63 acres of
meadow, 21 acres of pasture and 50s rent, and in Edmonton, Tottenham
and Enfield four messuages, 4 caracutes, 193 1/2 acres of meadow in the
common marsh, 166 acres of wood, 46 acres of great wood, 120 acres of
underwood, and £4 18s 1d rent: annual value £26 14s 8d; and another
messuage and 38 acres and 10 acres of meadow and 2 acres of pasture at
Edmonton, annual value 23s 8d.
#825 London Inquest, Guildhall, 24 April 1417:
After the death of his wife Margaret by the courtesy of England, held
of the inheritance of his daughter in London: five messuages, eight
shops with cellars and solars in the parishes of St Peter Westcheap and
St Mary Magdalen Milk Street, annual value of £20; two stalls, 20
messuages, four shops and £7 5s 10d rent in various parishes, annual
value £40 6s 8d; Elizabeth and Agnes his daughters are daughters and
heirs of Margaret.
[i.e. of Margaret his first wife, since Margaret his second wife
survived him - MAR]
He held various tenements in St Lawrence Jewry with shops in St
Lawrence Jewry Lane with appurtenances in Milk Street, and 2 1/2 marks
20s rent; the mansion with houses which John Chirche holds for life in
All Hallows parish, Thames Street; and by inheritance from Adam
Fraunceys his father, one tenement, three mansions, 13 shops in the
parish of St Michael Cornhill &c &c
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Tim Powys-Lybbe
Re: Sir Adam Francis +1417
In message of 27 Nov, mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
He was just the mayor. Lord mayors weren't invented until late in he
15th century, though I think York was bit earlier in this than London.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
Mention of the Fra(u)ncis family of London in a recent post impels me
to add the following.
According to the ODNB sub Fraunceys, and Roskell et al, HoP 1386-1421
vol 3 pp 118-119:
1. Adam Francis, married Constance
2. Adam Francis, mercer of London; elected Alderman for Queenhithe
ward, 1352; Lord Mayor, 1352-4;
He was just the mayor. Lord mayors weren't invented until late in he
15th century, though I think York was bit earlier in this than London.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
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Gjest
Re: Sir Adam Francis +1417
Tim Powys-Lybbe schrieb:
According to the City of London website:
"The title 'Lord Mayor' is purely customary, but of great age. In the
Latin of the thirteenth century 'dominus major' is found, and in
English 'Lord Mair' in 1414."
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporat ... office.htm
MAR
In message of 27 Nov, mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
2. Adam Francis, mercer of London; elected Alderman for Queenhithe
ward, 1352; Lord Mayor, 1352-4;
He was just the mayor. Lord mayors weren't invented until late in he
15th century, though I think York was bit earlier in this than London.
According to the City of London website:
"The title 'Lord Mayor' is purely customary, but of great age. In the
Latin of the thirteenth century 'dominus major' is found, and in
English 'Lord Mair' in 1414."
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporat ... office.htm
MAR
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Gjest
Re: Sir Adam Francis +1417
In a message dated 11/27/05 1:51:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mjcar@btinternet.com writes:
<< He died on 21 March last [sic; given the date of the writ, presumably
this and not 23 April is the correct date - MAR]. Agnes wife of
William Porter, knight, and Elizabeth wife of Thomas Charleton are his
daughters and heirs, aged 30 years and more, and 24 years and more. >>
Is this Thomas Charleton, the same person as the father of Joan Charleton who
married (bef 23 Oct 1437) to William Freville of Little Shelford ?
Thanks
Will Johnson
mjcar@btinternet.com writes:
<< He died on 21 March last [sic; given the date of the writ, presumably
this and not 23 April is the correct date - MAR]. Agnes wife of
William Porter, knight, and Elizabeth wife of Thomas Charleton are his
daughters and heirs, aged 30 years and more, and 24 years and more. >>
Is this Thomas Charleton, the same person as the father of Joan Charleton who
married (bef 23 Oct 1437) to William Freville of Little Shelford ?
Thanks
Will Johnson
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Sutliff
Re: Sir Adam Francis +1417
Yes, Joan Charlton, wife of William Freville, Sheriff for Cambridgeshire d.
1481, was daughter of Thomas Charlton and Elizabeth Fraunceys or Francis,
daughter of Adam Fraunceys/Francis and Margaret Osterele.
HS
<WJhonson@aol.com> wrote in message news:59.341b9de8.30bcd488@aol.com...
1481, was daughter of Thomas Charlton and Elizabeth Fraunceys or Francis,
daughter of Adam Fraunceys/Francis and Margaret Osterele.
HS
<WJhonson@aol.com> wrote in message news:59.341b9de8.30bcd488@aol.com...
In a message dated 11/27/05 1:51:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mjcar@btinternet.com writes:
He died on 21 March last [sic; given the date of the writ, presumably
this and not 23 April is the correct date - MAR]. Agnes wife of
William Porter, knight, and Elizabeth wife of Thomas Charleton are his
daughters and heirs, aged 30 years and more, and 24 years and more.
Is this Thomas Charleton, the same person as the father of Joan Charleton
who
married (bef 23 Oct 1437) to William Freville of Little Shelford ?
Thanks
Will Johnson
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Gjest
Re: Sir Adam Francis +1417
mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
It is Roskell in HoP who states that Sir Adam Francis's first wife
Margaret was daughter of John Osterle (sic) and widow of Thomas
Tudenham. Although I do not have this article to hand and thus cannot
cite (or check) his reference, it would appear that the former part of
his statement is incorrect.
According to the 'Historical Gazeteer of London before the Great Fire',
on the magnificent British History Online site, this Margaret, whose
first husband Thomas Tudenham died in December 1371, was daughter and
heir of Roger de Refham of London. [The work says that, having
considered the chronology, the wife of Adam Francis was probably
daughter rather than wife of Thomas Tudenham, but I see no reason why
this should be the case, given that her second marriage took place
after 1371 and the two of her four children for whom death dates are
known survived until 1451 and 1462 respectively.]
Roger de Refham was in turn brother and heir of John de Refham; they
were sons of Alderman John de Refham, son of Sir Richer de Refham
(Mayor of London in 1310, died 1328) and his wife Joan, according to
documents cited in the Historical Gazeteer.
This gives three London Mayors as ancestors to the Freville family of
Little Shelford.
MAR
Sir Adam Francis, died 1417; married firstly Margaret Osterley, widow of Thomas
Tuddenham of London; died before 1393; married secondly Margaret Holand,
died 1445. Issue by first marriage:
Evidence that Sir Adam Francis's three daughters and co-heirs were by
his first marriage and not his second is afforded by his IPMs
It is Roskell in HoP who states that Sir Adam Francis's first wife
Margaret was daughter of John Osterle (sic) and widow of Thomas
Tudenham. Although I do not have this article to hand and thus cannot
cite (or check) his reference, it would appear that the former part of
his statement is incorrect.
According to the 'Historical Gazeteer of London before the Great Fire',
on the magnificent British History Online site, this Margaret, whose
first husband Thomas Tudenham died in December 1371, was daughter and
heir of Roger de Refham of London. [The work says that, having
considered the chronology, the wife of Adam Francis was probably
daughter rather than wife of Thomas Tudenham, but I see no reason why
this should be the case, given that her second marriage took place
after 1371 and the two of her four children for whom death dates are
known survived until 1451 and 1462 respectively.]
Roger de Refham was in turn brother and heir of John de Refham; they
were sons of Alderman John de Refham, son of Sir Richer de Refham
(Mayor of London in 1310, died 1328) and his wife Joan, according to
documents cited in the Historical Gazeteer.
This gives three London Mayors as ancestors to the Freville family of
Little Shelford.
MAR