How to know which sources to trust for internet genealogy? I
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mjoann
How to know which sources to trust for internet genealogy? I
I've been surfing around on familysearch.org today looking for leads on
some my ancestors, specifically Christopher Hussey who married Theodate
Bachiler/ Batchelder. I usually do my searching in person, but I have a
handful of lines that I can be pretty sure are credible thanks to
established records, DAR records, etc. This line is one of them. (In
fact, these people have so many descendants that I'm probably a cousin
to some posters here.)
Christopher Hussey goes back to his father, John, and Theodate goes back
to her father Stephen- these are pretty accepted. Here's where things
get hazy, though. I have found a ton of websites, plus LDS site entries
that follow the Husseys back to about 1014. These seem relatively
reasonable and one website had transcriptions of the records that
supposedly prove this line.
These seem to be reasonable guesses, but things get even sketchier:
Supposedly, in the mid 1400's, a Sir William Hussey married an Elizabeth
Berkeley.
Following her line, I find all kinds of genealogies that claim she
descends from some sheriffs and minor nobles to the de Berkeleys as on
this webpage:
http://www.thepeerage.com/p12963.htm
One of the de Berkeleys married the daughter of Richard Fitzroy, Baron
of Chilham who was an illegitimate son of John I 'Lackland', King of
England. From here, the line obviously goes to some major historical
figures such as Eleanor of Aquitaine, Charlemagne, Alfred the Great,
William the Conqueror.
From what I can find, these particular de Berkeleys and their relation
to the kingship are verified via "real" research and acknowledged
peerage. However, none of the verified royal lines that I can find go
far enough down the real de Berkeley lineage to verify (or void) my own
connection (especially since Elizabeth supposedly comes from a non
firstborn.)
I know that it is not impossible to find ancestors linking to this type
of royalty, especially since nobility is better documented. But... how
can a monetarily challenged grad student separate fact from fiction?
Tons of sites have this descendancy, and I don't know if it was somehow
verified, or if they are all passing on conjecture from a single source.
Is there a good way to find out which lines are verifiable and accepted
by genealogical societies, etc.? Surely, even an illegitimate king's son
has a traceable genealogy.
I'm trying to find reasonably verified (in lieu of a trip to England!)
sources to work up from the Husseys or down from the de Berkeleys.
Any ideas? Or can anyone offer if this is a known to be bogus genealogy
or not?
mjoann
some my ancestors, specifically Christopher Hussey who married Theodate
Bachiler/ Batchelder. I usually do my searching in person, but I have a
handful of lines that I can be pretty sure are credible thanks to
established records, DAR records, etc. This line is one of them. (In
fact, these people have so many descendants that I'm probably a cousin
to some posters here.)
Christopher Hussey goes back to his father, John, and Theodate goes back
to her father Stephen- these are pretty accepted. Here's where things
get hazy, though. I have found a ton of websites, plus LDS site entries
that follow the Husseys back to about 1014. These seem relatively
reasonable and one website had transcriptions of the records that
supposedly prove this line.
These seem to be reasonable guesses, but things get even sketchier:
Supposedly, in the mid 1400's, a Sir William Hussey married an Elizabeth
Berkeley.
Following her line, I find all kinds of genealogies that claim she
descends from some sheriffs and minor nobles to the de Berkeleys as on
this webpage:
http://www.thepeerage.com/p12963.htm
One of the de Berkeleys married the daughter of Richard Fitzroy, Baron
of Chilham who was an illegitimate son of John I 'Lackland', King of
England. From here, the line obviously goes to some major historical
figures such as Eleanor of Aquitaine, Charlemagne, Alfred the Great,
William the Conqueror.
From what I can find, these particular de Berkeleys and their relation
to the kingship are verified via "real" research and acknowledged
peerage. However, none of the verified royal lines that I can find go
far enough down the real de Berkeley lineage to verify (or void) my own
connection (especially since Elizabeth supposedly comes from a non
firstborn.)
I know that it is not impossible to find ancestors linking to this type
of royalty, especially since nobility is better documented. But... how
can a monetarily challenged grad student separate fact from fiction?
Tons of sites have this descendancy, and I don't know if it was somehow
verified, or if they are all passing on conjecture from a single source.
Is there a good way to find out which lines are verifiable and accepted
by genealogical societies, etc.? Surely, even an illegitimate king's son
has a traceable genealogy.
I'm trying to find reasonably verified (in lieu of a trip to England!)
sources to work up from the Husseys or down from the de Berkeleys.
Any ideas? Or can anyone offer if this is a known to be bogus genealogy
or not?
mjoann
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Tim Powys-Lybbe
Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealog
In message of 22 Nov, mjoann <xtcmusicfan@netscape.com> wrote:
The line from Eliz Berkeley and Wm Hussey is in John Smyth's "Lives of
the Berkeleys" written around 1628 and much of it from documents then
surviving in the muniment room of Berkeley castle for which family J
Smith was then high steward.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
I've been surfing around on familysearch.org today looking for leads on
some my ancestors, specifically Christopher Hussey who married Theodate
Bachiler/ Batchelder. I usually do my searching in person, but I have a
handful of lines that I can be pretty sure are credible thanks to
established records, DAR records, etc. This line is one of them. (In
fact, these people have so many descendants that I'm probably a cousin
to some posters here.)
Christopher Hussey goes back to his father, John, and Theodate goes back
to her father Stephen- these are pretty accepted. Here's where things
get hazy, though. I have found a ton of websites, plus LDS site entries
that follow the Husseys back to about 1014. These seem relatively
reasonable and one website had transcriptions of the records that
supposedly prove this line.
These seem to be reasonable guesses, but things get even sketchier:
Supposedly, in the mid 1400's, a Sir William Hussey married an Elizabeth
Berkeley.
Following her line, I find all kinds of genealogies that claim she
descends from some sheriffs and minor nobles to the de Berkeleys as on
this webpage:
http://www.thepeerage.com/p12963.htm
One of the de Berkeleys married the daughter of Richard Fitzroy, Baron
of Chilham who was an illegitimate son of John I 'Lackland', King of
England. From here, the line obviously goes to some major historical
figures such as Eleanor of Aquitaine, Charlemagne, Alfred the Great,
William the Conqueror.
From what I can find, these particular de Berkeleys and their relation
to the kingship are verified via "real" research and acknowledged
peerage. However, none of the verified royal lines that I can find go
far enough down the real de Berkeley lineage to verify (or void) my own
connection (especially since Elizabeth supposedly comes from a non
firstborn.)
I know that it is not impossible to find ancestors linking to this type
of royalty, especially since nobility is better documented. But... how
can a monetarily challenged grad student separate fact from fiction?
Tons of sites have this descendancy, and I don't know if it was somehow
verified, or if they are all passing on conjecture from a single source.
Is there a good way to find out which lines are verifiable and accepted
by genealogical societies, etc.? Surely, even an illegitimate king's son
has a traceable genealogy.
I'm trying to find reasonably verified (in lieu of a trip to England!)
sources to work up from the Husseys or down from the de Berkeleys.
Any ideas? Or can anyone offer if this is a known to be bogus genealogy
or not?
The line from Eliz Berkeley and Wm Hussey is in John Smyth's "Lives of
the Berkeleys" written around 1628 and much of it from documents then
surviving in the muniment room of Berkeley castle for which family J
Smith was then high steward.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
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Gjest
Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealog
Christopher Hussey, the New England colonist, is usually identified as
the person of that name baptized at Dorking, Surrey in 1599 -
I havent seen the evidence for the connection, but it has been widely
accepted.
Paul Reed did a thorough search on this line.
You can check the archives at:
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bi ... N-MEDIEVAL
Put in the name Christopher Hussey, for the year 1999.
After studying the available records, he found that the
Husseys of Dorking were average farmers, who left no
wills, and the supposed connection to the gentry
family in Lincolnshire has no evidence to support it.
As for the Rev. Stephen Bachiler, no one has yet found
his parentage.
Leslie
the person of that name baptized at Dorking, Surrey in 1599 -
I havent seen the evidence for the connection, but it has been widely
accepted.
Paul Reed did a thorough search on this line.
You can check the archives at:
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bi ... N-MEDIEVAL
Put in the name Christopher Hussey, for the year 1999.
After studying the available records, he found that the
Husseys of Dorking were average farmers, who left no
wills, and the supposed connection to the gentry
family in Lincolnshire has no evidence to support it.
As for the Rev. Stephen Bachiler, no one has yet found
his parentage.
Leslie
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mjoann
Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealog
lmahler@att.net wrote:
Thank you, I did find the previous discussions on the Hussey lineage on
this newsgroup.
One shows the evidence against the Husseys of Dorking being the same
line as the gentry based on things like their distance apart, lack of
land, etc.
I found a web page that argues in favor of the Husseys and claims the
existence of marriages from both Hussey branches "to the Stuydols of
Norbury (near Dorking)." The person doesn't name his source, but if
their is indeed some truth to this, it seems to argue in favor of the
Dorking Husseys being connected after all. One, because the families
would be of similar social status to be marrying siblings, two because
it also overcomes that idea that Dorking and Lincolnshire are too far
apart, and three, because it is common for siblings to marry other sets
of siblings.
If there isn't a connection... oh well, I still have Richard Nixon =)
mjoann
After studying the available records, he found that the
Husseys of Dorking were average farmers, who left no
wills, and the supposed connection to the gentry
family in Lincolnshire has no evidence to support it.
Thank you, I did find the previous discussions on the Hussey lineage on
this newsgroup.
One shows the evidence against the Husseys of Dorking being the same
line as the gentry based on things like their distance apart, lack of
land, etc.
I found a web page that argues in favor of the Husseys and claims the
existence of marriages from both Hussey branches "to the Stuydols of
Norbury (near Dorking)." The person doesn't name his source, but if
their is indeed some truth to this, it seems to argue in favor of the
Dorking Husseys being connected after all. One, because the families
would be of similar social status to be marrying siblings, two because
it also overcomes that idea that Dorking and Lincolnshire are too far
apart, and three, because it is common for siblings to marry other sets
of siblings.
If there isn't a connection... oh well, I still have Richard Nixon =)
mjoann
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Janet
Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealog
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... sseyms.htm
Not sure if this site will help you or not.
Janet
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From: lmahler@att.net
Date: 11/22/05 20:15:40
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealogy? IS
LDS okay?
Christopher Hussey, the New England colonist, is usually identified as
the person of that name baptized at Dorking, Surrey in 1599 -
I havent seen the evidence for the connection, but it has been widely
accepted.
Paul Reed did a thorough search on this line.
You can check the archives at:
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bi ... N-MEDIEVAL
Put in the name Christopher Hussey, for the year 1999.
After studying the available records, he found that the
Husseys of Dorking were average farmers, who left no
wills, and the supposed connection to the gentry
family in Lincolnshire has no evidence to support it.
As for the Rev. Stephen Bachiler, no one has yet found
his parentage.
Leslie
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Not sure if this site will help you or not.
Janet
-------Original Message-------
From: lmahler@att.net
Date: 11/22/05 20:15:40
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealogy? IS
LDS okay?
Christopher Hussey, the New England colonist, is usually identified as
the person of that name baptized at Dorking, Surrey in 1599 -
I havent seen the evidence for the connection, but it has been widely
accepted.
Paul Reed did a thorough search on this line.
You can check the archives at:
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bi ... N-MEDIEVAL
Put in the name Christopher Hussey, for the year 1999.
After studying the available records, he found that the
Husseys of Dorking were average farmers, who left no
wills, and the supposed connection to the gentry
family in Lincolnshire has no evidence to support it.
As for the Rev. Stephen Bachiler, no one has yet found
his parentage.
Leslie
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Janet
Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealog
http://bz.llano.net/gowen/hussey_millen ... s_003.html
What you all think this or this below
John Hussey, son of William Hussey and Elizabeth Berkeley Hussey, was born
in 1465, probably at Sleaford, Lincolnshire. On June 12, 1481, at age 16,
he was appointed surveyor of the lordships in Lincolnshire held by the Duke
of Clarence. On June 16, 1487 he fought in the three-hour Battle of Stoke
in which the invasion of England by Lambert Simnel was defeated. Simnel was
an imposter claimant to the British crown and a pawn in the Yorkist
conspiracies against King Henry VII. Immediately following the battle, the
king brought John Hussey into the royal household and appointed him
comptroller.
John Hussey was married about 1490 to Mrs. Margaret Blount Barr, widow of
Sir John Barr of Barr's Court and daughter of Sir Simon Blount and Eleanor
Daubeny Blount of Mangotsfield, Gloucestershire. Eleanor Daubeny Blount was
the daughter of William Daubeny.
This more.
http://bz.llano.net/gowen/hussey_millenium/husseyms.htm
Janet
-------Original Message-------
From: mjoann
Date: 11/22/05 12:05:27
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealogy? IS LDS
okay?
I've been surfing around on familysearch.org today looking for leads on
some my ancestors, specifically Christopher Hussey who married Theodate
Bachiler/ Batchelder. I usually do my searching in person, but I have a
handful of lines that I can be pretty sure are credible thanks to
established records, DAR records, etc. This line is one of them. (In
fact, these people have so many descendants that I'm probably a cousin
to some posters here.)
Christopher Hussey goes back to his father, John, and Theodate goes back
to her father Stephen- these are pretty accepted. Here's where things
get hazy, though. I have found a ton of websites, plus LDS site entries
that follow the Husseys back to about 1014. These seem relatively
reasonable and one website had transcriptions of the records that
supposedly prove this line.
These seem to be reasonable guesses, but things get even sketchier:
Supposedly, in the mid 1400's, a Sir William Hussey married an Elizabeth
Berkeley.
Following her line, I find all kinds of genealogies that claim she
descends from some sheriffs and minor nobles to the de Berkeleys as on
this webpage:
http://www.thepeerage.com/p12963.htm
One of the de Berkeleys married the daughter of Richard Fitzroy, Baron
of Chilham who was an illegitimate son of John I 'Lackland', King of
England. From here, the line obviously goes to some major historical
figures such as Eleanor of Aquitaine, Charlemagne, Alfred the Great,
William the Conqueror.
From what I can find, these particular de Berkeleys and their relation
to the kingship are verified via "real" research and acknowledged
peerage. However, none of the verified royal lines that I can find go
far enough down the real de Berkeley lineage to verify (or void) my own
connection (especially since Elizabeth supposedly comes from a non
firstborn.)
I know that it is not impossible to find ancestors linking to this type
of royalty, especially since nobility is better documented. But... how
can a monetarily challenged grad student separate fact from fiction?
Tons of sites have this descendancy, and I don't know if it was somehow
verified, or if they are all passing on conjecture from a single source.
Is there a good way to find out which lines are verifiable and accepted
by genealogical societies, etc.? Surely, even an illegitimate king's son
has a traceable genealogy.
I'm trying to find reasonably verified (in lieu of a trip to England!)
sources to work up from the Husseys or down from the de Berkeleys.
Any ideas? Or can anyone offer if this is a known to be bogus genealogy
or not?
mjoann
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What you all think this or this below
John Hussey, son of William Hussey and Elizabeth Berkeley Hussey, was born
in 1465, probably at Sleaford, Lincolnshire. On June 12, 1481, at age 16,
he was appointed surveyor of the lordships in Lincolnshire held by the Duke
of Clarence. On June 16, 1487 he fought in the three-hour Battle of Stoke
in which the invasion of England by Lambert Simnel was defeated. Simnel was
an imposter claimant to the British crown and a pawn in the Yorkist
conspiracies against King Henry VII. Immediately following the battle, the
king brought John Hussey into the royal household and appointed him
comptroller.
John Hussey was married about 1490 to Mrs. Margaret Blount Barr, widow of
Sir John Barr of Barr's Court and daughter of Sir Simon Blount and Eleanor
Daubeny Blount of Mangotsfield, Gloucestershire. Eleanor Daubeny Blount was
the daughter of William Daubeny.
This more.
http://bz.llano.net/gowen/hussey_millenium/husseyms.htm
Janet
-------Original Message-------
From: mjoann
Date: 11/22/05 12:05:27
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealogy? IS LDS
okay?
I've been surfing around on familysearch.org today looking for leads on
some my ancestors, specifically Christopher Hussey who married Theodate
Bachiler/ Batchelder. I usually do my searching in person, but I have a
handful of lines that I can be pretty sure are credible thanks to
established records, DAR records, etc. This line is one of them. (In
fact, these people have so many descendants that I'm probably a cousin
to some posters here.)
Christopher Hussey goes back to his father, John, and Theodate goes back
to her father Stephen- these are pretty accepted. Here's where things
get hazy, though. I have found a ton of websites, plus LDS site entries
that follow the Husseys back to about 1014. These seem relatively
reasonable and one website had transcriptions of the records that
supposedly prove this line.
These seem to be reasonable guesses, but things get even sketchier:
Supposedly, in the mid 1400's, a Sir William Hussey married an Elizabeth
Berkeley.
Following her line, I find all kinds of genealogies that claim she
descends from some sheriffs and minor nobles to the de Berkeleys as on
this webpage:
http://www.thepeerage.com/p12963.htm
One of the de Berkeleys married the daughter of Richard Fitzroy, Baron
of Chilham who was an illegitimate son of John I 'Lackland', King of
England. From here, the line obviously goes to some major historical
figures such as Eleanor of Aquitaine, Charlemagne, Alfred the Great,
William the Conqueror.
From what I can find, these particular de Berkeleys and their relation
to the kingship are verified via "real" research and acknowledged
peerage. However, none of the verified royal lines that I can find go
far enough down the real de Berkeley lineage to verify (or void) my own
connection (especially since Elizabeth supposedly comes from a non
firstborn.)
I know that it is not impossible to find ancestors linking to this type
of royalty, especially since nobility is better documented. But... how
can a monetarily challenged grad student separate fact from fiction?
Tons of sites have this descendancy, and I don't know if it was somehow
verified, or if they are all passing on conjecture from a single source.
Is there a good way to find out which lines are verifiable and accepted
by genealogical societies, etc.? Surely, even an illegitimate king's son
has a traceable genealogy.
I'm trying to find reasonably verified (in lieu of a trip to England!)
sources to work up from the Husseys or down from the de Berkeleys.
Any ideas? Or can anyone offer if this is a known to be bogus genealogy
or not?
mjoann
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Gjest
Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealog
In a message dated 23/11/2005 02:15:22 GMT Standard Time, lmahler@att.net
writes:
After studying the available records, he found that the
Husseys of Dorking were average farmers, who left no
wills, and the supposed connection to the gentry
family in Lincolnshire has no evidence to support it.
However the Hussey, Baron Hussey family held West Betchworth, just to the
east of Dorking, in the 14c - See CP Vol VII, page 12
Adrian
writes:
After studying the available records, he found that the
Husseys of Dorking were average farmers, who left no
wills, and the supposed connection to the gentry
family in Lincolnshire has no evidence to support it.
However the Hussey, Baron Hussey family held West Betchworth, just to the
east of Dorking, in the 14c - See CP Vol VII, page 12
Adrian
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Terry
Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealog
And I doubt that every child or grandchild of a "Gentry family" became
gentry.
Terry L. Mair
Mair's Photography
158 South 580 East
Midway, Utah 84049
435-654-3607
http://www.mairsphotography.com
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From: <ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealogy? IS
LDS okay?
gentry.
Terry L. Mair
Mair's Photography
158 South 580 East
Midway, Utah 84049
435-654-3607
http://www.mairsphotography.com
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From: <ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealogy? IS
LDS okay?
In a message dated 23/11/2005 02:15:22 GMT Standard Time, lmahler@att.net
writes:
After studying the available records, he found that the
Husseys of Dorking were average farmers, who left no
wills, and the supposed connection to the gentry
family in Lincolnshire has no evidence to support it.
However the Hussey, Baron Hussey family held West Betchworth, just to the
east of Dorking, in the 14c - See CP Vol VII, page 12
Adrian
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Gjest
Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealog
In a message dated 11/23/05 3:59:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
monkey@getgoin.net writes:
<< http://bz.llano.net/gowen/hussey_millen ... s_003.html >>
From this site, this quote: 'On August 20, 1509 he obtained a pardon for his
part in an extortion plot and release of all debts due the crown. It was
claimed that he had used his position at court to enrich himself by illegal means.
This pardon mentioned his wife "Margaret Blownt" in a last documented
reference to her, suggesting that she died shortly after this time.
It is believed that John Hussey was remarried almost immediately to Anne
Grey, daughter of George Grey second Earl of Kent, and Catherine Herbert Grey.
Later in 1509 John Hussey and Anne Grey Hussey transferred Basilton manor,
Berkshire to Henry Bridges, according to "History of Berkshire." She inherited
Stoke Hammond manor in 1512 and transferred it in 1514 to Richard Wyatt,
according to "History of Berkshire." '
The above quote updates my and Leo's dates for the remarriage of John Lord
Hussey to Anne Grey and also the possible death dates for Margaret Blount who
must have died IN 1509.
Will Johnson
monkey@getgoin.net writes:
<< http://bz.llano.net/gowen/hussey_millen ... s_003.html >>
From this site, this quote: 'On August 20, 1509 he obtained a pardon for his
part in an extortion plot and release of all debts due the crown. It was
claimed that he had used his position at court to enrich himself by illegal means.
This pardon mentioned his wife "Margaret Blownt" in a last documented
reference to her, suggesting that she died shortly after this time.
It is believed that John Hussey was remarried almost immediately to Anne
Grey, daughter of George Grey second Earl of Kent, and Catherine Herbert Grey.
Later in 1509 John Hussey and Anne Grey Hussey transferred Basilton manor,
Berkshire to Henry Bridges, according to "History of Berkshire." She inherited
Stoke Hammond manor in 1512 and transferred it in 1514 to Richard Wyatt,
according to "History of Berkshire." '
The above quote updates my and Leo's dates for the remarriage of John Lord
Hussey to Anne Grey and also the possible death dates for Margaret Blount who
must have died IN 1509.
Will Johnson
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Gjest
Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealog
In a message dated 11/23/05 3:59:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
monkey@getgoin.net writes:
<< http://bz.llano.net/gowen/hussey_millen ... s_003.html >>
From this website, again I quote: "Walter Hungerford had accompanied his
future father-in-law when they landed in France with about 10,000 troops of King
Henry VIII May 23, 1500, according to "Camden Society Publications," Volume 35,
Series I. He had seen service again in France when he landed with the troops
on May 2, 1512 and also on October 15, 1532. "
But this Walter was the son of Jane la Zouche and thus grandson of the John,
7th Lord Zouche who was born in 1459. This is a very short chronology to
allow him, the grandson, to be going to France in 1500 .... Comments?
Will Johnson
monkey@getgoin.net writes:
<< http://bz.llano.net/gowen/hussey_millen ... s_003.html >>
From this website, again I quote: "Walter Hungerford had accompanied his
future father-in-law when they landed in France with about 10,000 troops of King
Henry VIII May 23, 1500, according to "Camden Society Publications," Volume 35,
Series I. He had seen service again in France when he landed with the troops
on May 2, 1512 and also on October 15, 1532. "
But this Walter was the son of Jane la Zouche and thus grandson of the John,
7th Lord Zouche who was born in 1459. This is a very short chronology to
allow him, the grandson, to be going to France in 1500 .... Comments?
Will Johnson
-
Gjest
Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealog
In a message dated 11/23/05 3:59:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
monkey@getgoin.net writes:
<< http://bz.llano.net/gowen/hussey_millen ... s_003.html >>
Again from this site I quote: "She [Bridget Hussey] was remarried to Henry
Clifford, fourth Earl of Rutland. He died in 1585, according to "The Duchess of
Bedford" by Nicole Nobody. She was married a third time to Francis Russell,
second Earl of Bedford as his second wife."
While I have the following:
Married secondly to Henry MANNERS, 2nd Earl of Rutland who died 17 Sep 1563
afterwhich she married thirdly to Francis Russell, 2nd Earl of Bedford on 25
Jun 1566. See CP "Bedford"
Will Johnson
monkey@getgoin.net writes:
<< http://bz.llano.net/gowen/hussey_millen ... s_003.html >>
Again from this site I quote: "She [Bridget Hussey] was remarried to Henry
Clifford, fourth Earl of Rutland. He died in 1585, according to "The Duchess of
Bedford" by Nicole Nobody. She was married a third time to Francis Russell,
second Earl of Bedford as his second wife."
While I have the following:
Married secondly to Henry MANNERS, 2nd Earl of Rutland who died 17 Sep 1563
afterwhich she married thirdly to Francis Russell, 2nd Earl of Bedford on 25
Jun 1566. See CP "Bedford"
Will Johnson
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Gjest
Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealog
In a message dated 11/23/05 3:59:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
monkey@getgoin.net writes:
<< http://bz.llano.net/gowen/hussey_millen ... s_003.html >>
Again from this site I quote: "Francis Lord Russell of Thornbaugh manor
erected a monument to Bridget Hussey Morrison Clifford Russell in Bedford Chapel,
according to "History of Buckinghamshire." The monument was an altar tomb with
an effigy of his wife. "
So he erected a monument, an altar tomb no less, to his wife, even though he
died fifteen years BEFORE she did ? Personally I'm not sure I'd appreciate
such a gesture.
Will Johnson
monkey@getgoin.net writes:
<< http://bz.llano.net/gowen/hussey_millen ... s_003.html >>
Again from this site I quote: "Francis Lord Russell of Thornbaugh manor
erected a monument to Bridget Hussey Morrison Clifford Russell in Bedford Chapel,
according to "History of Buckinghamshire." The monument was an altar tomb with
an effigy of his wife. "
So he erected a monument, an altar tomb no less, to his wife, even though he
died fifteen years BEFORE she did ? Personally I'm not sure I'd appreciate
such a gesture.
Will Johnson
-
Gjest
Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealog
In a message dated 11/23/05 3:59:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
monkey@getgoin.net writes:
<< http://bz.llano.net/gowen/hussey_millen ... s_003.html >>
Again from this site I quote: "She [Elizabeth Hussey] was married about 1490
to Richard Grey, third Earl of Kent, son of George Grey and brother to Anne
Grey who married John Hussey, brother of Elizabeth Hussey. Elizabeth Hussey
Grey was living at the time her mother wrote her will in 1503. "
Should this not read "half-brother to Anne Grey" ? I have Anne as the
daughter of Katherine Herbert, not of Anne Widville.
Will Johnson
monkey@getgoin.net writes:
<< http://bz.llano.net/gowen/hussey_millen ... s_003.html >>
Again from this site I quote: "She [Elizabeth Hussey] was married about 1490
to Richard Grey, third Earl of Kent, son of George Grey and brother to Anne
Grey who married John Hussey, brother of Elizabeth Hussey. Elizabeth Hussey
Grey was living at the time her mother wrote her will in 1503. "
Should this not read "half-brother to Anne Grey" ? I have Anne as the
daughter of Katherine Herbert, not of Anne Widville.
Will Johnson
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Gjest
Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealog
WJhonson@aol.com schrieb:
First problem is: there was no King Henry VIII in 1500. I suspect a
date after 1510 is intended, perhaps 1511 when that monarch's campaign
against the French started in earnest. It's still a short chronology,
but manageable.
MAR
http://bz.llano.net/gowen/hussey_millenium/husseyms_003.html
From this website, again I quote: "Walter Hungerford had accompanied his
future father-in-law when they landed in France with about 10,000 troops of King
Henry VIII May 23, 1500, according to "Camden Society Publications," Volume 35,
Series I. He had seen service again in France when he landed with the troops
on May 2, 1512 and also on October 15, 1532. "
But this Walter was the son of Jane la Zouche and thus grandson of the John,
7th Lord Zouche who was born in 1459. This is a very short chronology to
allow him, the grandson, to be going to France in 1500 .... Comments?
First problem is: there was no King Henry VIII in 1500. I suspect a
date after 1510 is intended, perhaps 1511 when that monarch's campaign
against the French started in earnest. It's still a short chronology,
but manageable.
MAR
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Gjest
Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealog
WJhonson@aol.com schrieb:
The website is clearly wrong; the Cliffords were Earls of Cumberland,
not Rutland. As you note, her second husband was Henry Manners, 2nd
Earl of Rutland died 1563, as confirmed by Burke's.
I'm not being inspired to heights of confidence in this website from
which you quote...
MAR
In a message dated 11/23/05 3:59:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
monkey@getgoin.net writes:
http://bz.llano.net/gowen/hussey_millen ... s_003.html
Again from this site I quote: "She [Bridget Hussey] was remarried to Henry
Clifford, fourth Earl of Rutland. He died in 1585, according to "The Duchess of
Bedford" by Nicole Nobody. She was married a third time to Francis Russell,
second Earl of Bedford as his second wife."
While I have the following:
Married secondly to Henry MANNERS, 2nd Earl of Rutland who died 17 Sep 1563
afterwhich she married thirdly to Francis Russell, 2nd Earl of Bedford on 25
Jun 1566. See CP "Bedford"
The website is clearly wrong; the Cliffords were Earls of Cumberland,
not Rutland. As you note, her second husband was Henry Manners, 2nd
Earl of Rutland died 1563, as confirmed by Burke's.
I'm not being inspired to heights of confidence in this website from
which you quote...
MAR
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Gjest
Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealog
Dear Monkey (? Janet),
As Will indicated the Manners family
holds the Earldom and Dukedom of Rutland. The Cliffords held the Earldom of
Cumberland and perhaps other titles.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA
As Will indicated the Manners family
holds the Earldom and Dukedom of Rutland. The Cliffords held the Earldom of
Cumberland and perhaps other titles.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA
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Gjest
Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealog
WJhonson@aol.com schrieb:
The erection of funeral monuments before death was not entirely
unknown, although I am not persuaded it took place in this case. I am
more disturbed by the habit of anachronistically crediting to mediaeval
English women the modern American custom of bestowing all maiden and
married names in a long unwieldy string.
http://bz.llano.net/gowen/hussey_millenium/husseyms_003.html
Again from this site I quote: "Francis Lord Russell of Thornbaugh manor
erected a monument to Bridget Hussey Morrison Clifford Russell in Bedford Chapel,
according to "History of Buckinghamshire." The monument was an altar tomb with
an effigy of his wife. "
So he erected a monument, an altar tomb no less, to his wife, even though he
died fifteen years BEFORE she did ? Personally I'm not sure I'd appreciate
such a gesture.
The erection of funeral monuments before death was not entirely
unknown, although I am not persuaded it took place in this case. I am
more disturbed by the habit of anachronistically crediting to mediaeval
English women the modern American custom of bestowing all maiden and
married names in a long unwieldy string.
-
Janet
Hussey Manuscript
The Hussey Millennium
Manuscript Section Index
This site for whole Hussey Manuscript that has be transcribed
http://bz.llano.net/gowen/hussey_millenium/husseyms.htm
I know there are errors in the Manuscript but I did not write. For I am only
send you all the site to read.
Janet
Manuscript Section Index
This site for whole Hussey Manuscript that has be transcribed
http://bz.llano.net/gowen/hussey_millenium/husseyms.htm
I know there are errors in the Manuscript but I did not write. For I am only
send you all the site to read.
Janet
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Tim Powys-Lybbe
Re: How to know which sources to trust for internet genealog
In message of 23 Nov, mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:
Such conjoined names are certainly not the names they were known by nor
are referred to by in the history books.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
WJhonson@aol.com schrieb:
http://bz.llano.net/gowen/hussey_millen ... s_003.html
Again from this site I quote: "Francis Lord Russell of Thornbaugh
manor erected a monument to Bridget Hussey Morrison Clifford
Russell in Bedford Chapel, according to "History of
Buckinghamshire." The monument was an altar tomb with an effigy of
his wife. "
So he erected a monument, an altar tomb no less, to his wife, even
though he died fifteen years BEFORE she did ? Personally I'm not
sure I'd appreciate such a gesture.
The erection of funeral monuments before death was not entirely
unknown, although I am not persuaded it took place in this case. I am
more disturbed by the habit of anachronistically crediting to mediaeval
English women the modern American custom of bestowing all maiden and
married names in a long unwieldy string.
Such conjoined names are certainly not the names they were known by nor
are referred to by in the history books.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org