Isabel, wife of Gerard de Furnival (died 1290/1302), of Grea

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Isabel, wife of Gerard de Furnival (died 1290/1302), of Grea

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 19 nov 2005 20:21:32

Dear Newsgroup ~

Last summer I posted a lengthy list of the descendants of Sir Richard
de Lucy (died 1179) and his newly identified wife, Rohese of Boulogne.
Included among them was Sir Gerard de Furnival (died 1290/1302), of
Great Mundon, Hertfordshire and Burton Latimer, Northamptonshire, which
individual has many living descendants. In my post, I identified Sir
Gerard de Furnival's wife as Isabel (_____). According to most sources
in print, however, the wife of Sir Gerard de Furnival is identified as
Joan de Morville, daughter and coheiress of Hugh de Morville.

So who then did Gerard de Furnival marry? Regarding Gerard de
Furnival's alleged Morville marriage, the learned John Ravilious has
pointed out that Joan de Morville actually married Richard Gernun, by
which marriage, Joan had two daughters and co-heirs, Ada and Hawise
[Reference: I.J. Sanders, English Baronies, pg. 24].

As for the evidence which proves Gerard de Furnival's wife was named
Isabel, I refer the newsgroup readers to the three charters below which
are taken from the published Cartulary of Bushmead Priory, edited by G.
Herbert Fowler and Joyce Godber, which work was published in 1945 as
Publications of the Bedfordshire Historical Record Society, Vol. 22.
In the first charter, William de Hurst grants a messuage in Burton
Latimer, Northamptonshire to the church and canons of Bushmead. The
charter is dated about 1283-87, and it names Lady Christian Ledet, his
lord Sir Gerard de Furnival, and Gerard's wife, Isabel ["uxoris sue"].
In the second charter, Gerard de Furnival confirms the grant of William
de Hurst his man ["hominis mei"] to Bushmead Priory. In a third
unrelated charter, Gerard de Furnival confirms an earlier charter of
Lady Christian Ledet who he specifically calls his mother ["matris
mee"].

To date, I haven't yet discovered the maiden name of Sir Gerard de
Furnival's wife, Isabel. Hopefully, at some point in the future,
Isabel's parentage will surface.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

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BUSHMEAD PRIORY CHARTERS

1. Grant by William de Hurst to the church and canons of a messuage,
1-1/2 virgates and a rent of 1d. in Burton Latimer, for the support of
a canon, to pray for the souls of Christian Ledet, Gerard and Isabel de
Furnival, and Walter de Hurst, brother of the donor. Date: 1283-87.

Sciant presentes et futuri quod ego Willelmus de Hurst concessi dedi et
hac presenti carta mea confirmui deo et ecclesie beate Marie de
Bisshemade et canonicis ibidem in perpetuum deo seruientibus et
successoribus suis unum messagium cum vna uirgata terre cum
pertinenciis suis in villa de Burton' iuxta Thyngden' et in campis
eiusdem ville sicuti iacet per particulars que Walterus de Hurst frater
meus quondam tenuit de domine meo Gerardo de Furniuall': et unam
dimidiam uirgatum terre cum edificiis in ea sitis et cum omnibus
pertinenciis suis in dicta villa de Burton' .... in liberam et
perpetuam elemosinam ad sustentacionem unius canonici in dicta domo pro
animabus nobilis matrone domine Cristiane Ledeit' et domini mei domini
Gerardi de Furniuall' et Isabelle uxoris sue et Walteri de Hurst
fratris mei et omnium antecessorum successorumque eorundem et omnium
fidelium defunctorum ..." [Reference: G. Herbert Fowler and Joyce
Godber, eds., The Cartulary of Bushmead Priory (Pubs. of Bedfordshire
Historical Record Society 22) (1945): 249-250].

2. Confirmation and inspeximus by Gerard son of Gerard de Furnival of
the grant by William de Hurst. Dated 1283-87.

Uniuersis Christi fidelibus ad quos presens carta peruenerit Gerardus
filius Gerardi de Furniuall' salutem in domino sempiternam. Ad
vniuersitatis vestre noticiam uolo peruenire me donacionem et
concessionem Willelmi de Hurst hominis mei et cartam suam super hiis
confectam inspexisse sub hac forma: Sciant presentes et futuri ego
Willelmus de Hurst concessi dedi et hac presenti carta mea confirmaui
et cetera ut supra prescriptum est in carta eiusdem Willelmi prenotata.
Ego uero Gerardus prenominatus predicti Willelmi piam deuocionem
diuinitus sibi inspiratam prompto sicut decet pio quoque fauore
prosequens donacionem predictam ac concessionem cartamque super hiis
confectam in omnibus et singulis suis articulis approbo ratifico et
prefate ecclesie de Bisshemad' et canonicis ibidem deo seruientibus
eorumque successoribus pro me heredibus seu assignatis meis in liberam
puram et perpetuam elemosinam in perpetuum confirmo ...." [Reference:
G. Herbert Fowler and Joyce Godber, eds., The Cartulary of Bushmead
Priory (Pubs. of Bedfordshire Historical Record Society 22) (1945):
250-251].

3. Inspeximus and confirmation by Gerard de Furnival son of Gerard de
Furnival of the grant of his mother, Christian Ledet. Dated c. 1271.

Uniuersis Christi fidelibus ad quorum noticiam presens scriptum
peruenerit Gerardus filius Gerardi de Furniuall' salutem in domino
sempiternam. Noueritis me inspexisse concessionem et confirmacionem
domine Cristiane Leydet matris mee priori et canonicis beate Marie de
Bisshemade de decem solidos et sex denariis annui redditus in
Craneford' et de uno molendino in villa de Burton' cum situ et multura
eiusdem et omnibus pertinenciis factas in hec verba: Omnibus Christi
fidelibus etc. Cristiana Leydet quondam uxor Henrici de Braybroc
salutem. Noueritis me et cetera ut supra prescriptum est in carta
confirmacionis eiusdem Cristiane prenotata. Quas quidem cofirmacionem
et concessionem in omnibus et singulis articulis suis pro me et
heredibus meis uel assignatis per presens scriptum ratifico et
confirmo. In cuius rei testimonium presenti scripto sigullum meum
apposui. Hiis testibus etc." [Reference: G. Herbert Fowler and Joyce
Godber, eds., The Cartulary of Bushmead Priory (Pubs. of Bedfordshire
Historical Record Society 22) (1945): 248].


Millerfairfield@aol.com wrote:
A few days ago I posted the following, which does not seem to have
found its
way onto the list:-

In his very impressive and valuable post Douglas Richardson wrote
snip
....D2. Gerard de Furnival, of Great Munden, Hertfordshire, +Holy
Land
1240, m. Christian Ledet, widow of Henry de Braybrooke (she +1271,
bur.
Bushmead Priory)
.....E1. Gerard de Furnival, of Great Mundon, Hertfordshire and
Burton
Latimer, Northamptonshire, *1236/40, +1290/1302, m. Isabel _____
snip

However, Brice Clagett posted here on 8th Oct 2002
snip
Sir Gerard Furnival, was I believe of Munden Furnival, Hertfordshire.

According to Extinct Peerage p. 224 he married Joan, dau. and coheir
of Hugh < de Morvill, and was himself son of Gerard Furnival and his
wife Christian,
dau. and heir of Guischard Ledet. This last Gerard was younger son of
Gerard < de Furnival and Maud de Lovetot, and younger brother of Sir
Thomas Furnival, < of Sheffield, ancestor of the Lords Furnival. See CP
5:580.
snip

Yet again, John Ravilious wrote on 23rd November 2004, identifying
Hugh de
Morville (d.1202) and his wife Hawise, daughter of Robert de
Stuteville of
Cottingham, Yorks, and widow of William of Lancaster, with their two
daughters Ada and Joan. JR gave Ada's date of death as "after 1229",
and
stated her to have been heiress in her issue of the full Morville
inheritance, on failure of the descendants of her sister Joan. As to
the
younger sister Joan JR gives her husband as Richard Gernun, rather
than
Gerald Furnival, and traces her Gernun issue.

The following day I replied on list to JR, citing HWBradley
(freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hwbradley/aqwg1411.htm#26738), who
gave
Joan as Gerald Furnival's wife and as the mother of his daughters
Lora and
Christian Eylesford, again citing Extinct Peerages. My effort did not
attract < any reply to date.

Now if Joan did indeed ever marry Gerald Furnival, I wonder what
reason
there could be to think that she was the mother of Gerald's children?
We know < that he had a daughter Christiana, who married an Eylesford
and whose issue
continued. Therefore, if Joan's issue became extinct, she cannot
have been
Christiana's mother, can she?
Does this argument explode the statement from Extinct Peerages, cited
by Mr
Clagett and Major Bradley? And if Douglas Richardson is right, as he
so often
is, in identifying Christina Eylesford's mother as "Isabel", does
anybody
have any idea who she was?

MM

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