Is this one Gateway Ancestor overlooked?

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Leo van de Pas

Is this one Gateway Ancestor overlooked?

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 18 nov 2005 01:04:01

Gilbert von Studnitz kindly supplied me with details and these details link into quite an interesting ancestry.

Cospatrick, 3rd Earl of Dunbar, who is descended from Scottish and English kings, is the father of Sir Patrick of the Hirschel, also known as Patric de Offerton.

Patrick de Offerton is most likely, but not proven, the father of William de Wessington/Washington

William de Washington
/
William de Washington, of Washington
/
Sir William de Washington, of Washington
1212-1264
/
Sir William de Washington, of Washington
/
Robert de Washington/Wessington
1260-1324
/
Robert de Washington, of Carnforth
/
John de Washington
/
John de Washington
1385-1423
/
Robert Washington, of Tewitfield
/
Robert Washington, of Warton
/
John Washington, of Warton
1478-1528
/
Lawrence Washington, of Sulgrave Manor
1505-1584
/
Robert Washington, of Sulgrave Manor
1544-1621
/
Walter Washington
1570-1597
/
Katherine Washington
born circa 1597 Radway Grange Warwick
died after 1616 Wolverton
married 30 July 1616 Stratford Avon Warwick
Thomas Stanton
born about 1585 Woilverton Warwick
died 1643 Longbridge
/
Thomas Stanton
Indian Affairs Commissioner, original proprietor of Hartford CT
born 30 July 1616 Wolverton Warwick
died 2 December 1616 Stonington CT

Yes, he also has Plantagenet ancestors. If anyone can add or correct this line I would be very grateful.

With Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

Kay Allen

Re: Is this one Gateway Ancestor overlooked?

Legg inn av Kay Allen » 18 nov 2005 01:50:01

Dear Leo,

Would that it were so :-( I am a Stanton descendant.

I believe that it has been shown that this is not the
ancestry of Thomas Stanton Of CT. I know that this has
been discussed in American journals, and I believe
that it has been discussed on the list.

Sorry :-(

K

--- Leo van de Pas <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote:

Gilbert von Studnitz kindly supplied me with details
and these details link into quite an interesting
ancestry.

Cospatrick, 3rd Earl of Dunbar, who is descended
from Scottish and English kings, is the father of
Sir Patrick of the Hirschel, also known as Patric de
Offerton.

Patrick de Offerton is most likely, but not proven,
the father of William de Wessington/Washington

William de Washington
/
William de Washington, of Washington
/
Sir William de Washington, of Washington
1212-1264
/
Sir William de Washington, of Washington
/
Robert de Washington/Wessington
1260-1324
/
Robert de Washington, of Carnforth
/
John de Washington
/
John de Washington
1385-1423
/
Robert Washington, of Tewitfield
/
Robert Washington, of Warton
/
John Washington, of Warton
1478-1528
/
Lawrence Washington, of Sulgrave Manor
1505-1584
/
Robert Washington, of Sulgrave Manor
1544-1621
/
Walter Washington
1570-1597
/
Katherine Washington
born circa 1597 Radway Grange Warwick
died after 1616 Wolverton
married 30 July 1616 Stratford Avon Warwick
Thomas Stanton
born about 1585 Woilverton Warwick
died 1643 Longbridge
/
Thomas Stanton
Indian Affairs Commissioner, original proprietor of
Hartford CT
born 30 July 1616 Wolverton Warwick
died 2 December 1616 Stonington CT

Yes, he also has Plantagenet ancestors. If anyone
can add or correct this line I would be very
grateful.

With Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia


D. Spencer Hines

Re: Is This One Gateway Ancestor Overlooked?

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 18 nov 2005 04:33:06

Robert Washington of Sulgrave Manor, reportedly the eldest son of Lawrence
Washington and Margaret Butler, died young, in his early twenties. He was
supposedly dead by 1610.

I don't see any evidence Robert was ever married.

Further, Robert's father was allegedly born circa 1568 and married Margaret
in 1588.

So, I don't see how Robert could have been born in 1544. Vide infra.

DSH

""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:004f01c5ebd3$4be1e750$0300a8c0@Toshiba...

Gilbert von Studnitz kindly supplied me with details and these details
link into quite an interesting ancestry.

Cospatrick, 3rd Earl of Dunbar, who is descended from Scottish and English
kings, is the father of Sir Patrick of the Hirschel, also known as Patric
de Offerton.

Patrick de Offerton is most likely, but not proven, the father of William
de Wessington/Washington

William de Washington
/
William de Washington, of Washington
/
Sir William de Washington, of Washington
1212-1264
/
Sir William de Washington, of Washington
/
Robert de Washington/Wessington
1260-1324
/
Robert de Washington, of Carnforth
/
John de Washington
/
John de Washington
1385-1423
/
Robert Washington, of Tewitfield
/
Robert Washington, of Warton
/
John Washington, of Warton
1478-1528
/
Lawrence Washington, of Sulgrave Manor
1505-1584
/
Robert Washington, of Sulgrave Manor
1544-1621
/
Walter Washington
1570-1597
/
Katherine Washington
born circa 1597 Radway Grange Warwick
died after 1616 Wolverton
married 30 July 1616 Stratford Avon Warwick
Thomas Stanton
born about 1585 Woilverton Warwick
died 1643 Longbridge
/
Thomas Stanton
Indian Affairs Commissioner, original proprietor of Hartford CT
born 30 July 1616 Wolverton Warwick
died 2 December 1616 Stonington CT

Yes, he also has Plantagenet ancestors. If anyone can add or correct this
line I would be very grateful.

With Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

Leo

Re: Is This One Gateway Ancestor Overlooked?

Legg inn av Leo » 18 nov 2005 05:15:04

Dear Spencer,

Thanks for pointing out these details. If that is where the line fails then,
for the time being, the Plantagenet line still stands. Kay Allen said there
is an error but she did not say where, depending on that the Plantagenet
line could still be viable.

Thanks.
Leo


----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: Is This One Gateway Ancestor Overlooked?


Robert Washington of Sulgrave Manor, reportedly the eldest son of Lawrence
Washington and Margaret Butler, died young, in his early twenties. He was
supposedly dead by 1610.

I don't see any evidence Robert was ever married.

Further, Robert's father was allegedly born circa 1568 and married
Margaret
in 1588.

So, I don't see how Robert could have been born in 1544. Vide infra.

DSH

""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:004f01c5ebd3$4be1e750$0300a8c0@Toshiba...

Gilbert von Studnitz kindly supplied me with details and these details
link into quite an interesting ancestry.

Cospatrick, 3rd Earl of Dunbar, who is descended from Scottish and
English
kings, is the father of Sir Patrick of the Hirschel, also known as Patric
de Offerton.

Patrick de Offerton is most likely, but not proven, the father of William
de Wessington/Washington

William de Washington
/
William de Washington, of Washington
/
Sir William de Washington, of Washington
1212-1264
/
Sir William de Washington, of Washington
/
Robert de Washington/Wessington
1260-1324
/
Robert de Washington, of Carnforth
/
John de Washington
/
John de Washington
1385-1423
/
Robert Washington, of Tewitfield
/
Robert Washington, of Warton
/
John Washington, of Warton
1478-1528
/
Lawrence Washington, of Sulgrave Manor
1505-1584
/
Robert Washington, of Sulgrave Manor
1544-1621
/
Walter Washington
1570-1597
/
Katherine Washington
born circa 1597 Radway Grange Warwick
died after 1616 Wolverton
married 30 July 1616 Stratford Avon Warwick
Thomas Stanton
born about 1585 Woilverton Warwick
died 1643 Longbridge
/
Thomas Stanton
Indian Affairs Commissioner, original proprietor of Hartford CT
born 30 July 1616 Wolverton Warwick
died 2 December 1616 Stonington CT

Yes, he also has Plantagenet ancestors. If anyone can add or correct this
line I would be very grateful.

With Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia



Gary Smith

Re: Is This One Gateway Ancestor Overlooked?

Legg inn av Gary Smith » 18 nov 2005 08:43:57

"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vXbff.69$eP.794@eagle.america.net...
Robert Washington of Sulgrave Manor, reportedly the eldest son of Lawrence
Washington and Margaret Butler, died young, in his early twenties. He was
supposedly dead by 1610.

I don't see any evidence Robert was ever married.

Further, Robert's father was allegedly born circa 1568 and married
Margaret
in 1588.

So, I don't see how Robert could have been born in 1544. Vide infra.

DSH


My files indicate that Robert had an uncle Robert born in 1544, dying 10
Mar 1622/23, and a grandfather Lawrence born abt 1500, dying 19 Feb 1583/84,
leading to a confusion of generations. His father does seem to have been
born in 1568, marrying Margaret Butler 3 Aug 1588. Son Robert, born 1591,
seems to have expired in 1592.
---Gary in Berkeley





""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:004f01c5ebd3$4be1e750$0300a8c0@Toshiba...

Gilbert von Studnitz kindly supplied me with details and these details
link into quite an interesting ancestry.

Cospatrick, 3rd Earl of Dunbar, who is descended from Scottish and
English
kings, is the father of Sir Patrick of the Hirschel, also known as
Patric
de Offerton.

Patrick de Offerton is most likely, but not proven, the father of
William
de Wessington/Washington

William de Washington
/
William de Washington, of Washington
/
Sir William de Washington, of Washington
1212-1264
/
Sir William de Washington, of Washington
/
Robert de Washington/Wessington
1260-1324
/
Robert de Washington, of Carnforth
/
John de Washington
/
John de Washington
1385-1423
/
Robert Washington, of Tewitfield
/
Robert Washington, of Warton
/
John Washington, of Warton
1478-1528
/
Lawrence Washington, of Sulgrave Manor
1505-1584
/
Robert Washington, of Sulgrave Manor
1544-1621
/
Walter Washington
1570-1597
/
Katherine Washington
born circa 1597 Radway Grange Warwick
died after 1616 Wolverton
married 30 July 1616 Stratford Avon Warwick
Thomas Stanton
born about 1585 Woilverton Warwick
died 1643 Longbridge
/
Thomas Stanton
Indian Affairs Commissioner, original proprietor of Hartford CT
born 30 July 1616 Wolverton Warwick
died 2 December 1616 Stonington CT

Yes, he also has Plantagenet ancestors. If anyone can add or correct
this
line I would be very grateful.

With Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia


Gjest

Re: Is this one Gateway Ancestor overlooked?

Legg inn av Gjest » 18 nov 2005 10:56:17

"Leo van de Pas" wrote:

Katherine Washington
married 30 July 1616 Stratford Avon Warwick
Thomas Stanton
/
Thomas Stanton
Indian Affairs Commissioner, original proprietor of Hartford CT
born 30 July 1616 Wolverton Warwick
died 2 December 1616 Stonington CT

Dear Leo

Apart from the other concerns, I suspect there must be a typo or two in
the above.

(1) I am suspicious of the statement that the younger Thomas Stanton
was born on the day that his parents married - particularly as
Wolverton is a good 7 or 8 miles from Startford on Avon.

(2) I am impressed that he also managed to emigrate, become Indian
Affairs Commissioner, presumably produce offspring (as he is referred
to as a Gateway Ancestor) and die before he was six months old!

Cheers

Michael

Gjest

Re: Is this one Gateway Ancestor overlooked?

Legg inn av Gjest » 18 nov 2005 16:43:22

I descend from this Thomas Stanton who died on 2 December 1677 at
Stonington, CT. Based on his children's ages, he married about 1637,
very likely at Hartford where his wife Ann Lord was from. From that
information, he is likely to have been born say 1610-1615. The 1616
birthdate seems a wee bit young for the man of Stonington.

The best sources on Thomas are:

"A Record, Genealogical, Biographical, Statistical, of Thomas
Stanton, of Connecticut, and his Descendants 1635-1891" by William A.
Stanton (Albany, NY, Munsells, 1891)

The Stanton-Washington Ancestry by Clarence Almon Torrey in TAG 14:86-7
disproves his first thought English origins. [this settles some of the
matter for Leo]

"Lord, Bird, Ingersoll Relationships" by George R. Griffiths
(typescript at NEHGS, 1992)

"History of the Town of Stonington, County of New London,
Connecticut, From its first settlement in 1649 to 1900 with a
genealogical register of Stonington Families" by Richard A. Wheeler
(Mystic, CT, 1966)

Gjest

Re: Is this one Gateway Ancestor overlooked?

Legg inn av Gjest » 18 nov 2005 18:04:01

Yes I descend for Thomas Stanton also via the Hurlbut's than down
through to the Avery's. The Thomas Stanton of Wolverton died in 1664.
From his memorial brass which reads
Sacred/ to the Memory of/ THOMAS STANTON of this Parish/ Gent/ Lord

of this Manor and Patron of this Church/ He was a Person endeud (sic)
with all those Virtues/ And accomplishments becomeing a Christian/ or a
Gentleman, his Courteous Behavior/ And strict Observation of Justice/
Made Him Respected by his equalls and his/ Exemplary Charity no less
endeared Him to his/ Inferiours, as He liv'd belov'd so He died/
lamented ye 24th Day of October 1664/ AEtatis 47/ He Married ELIZABETH/
daughter of EDWARD COOKES of Pinly Abby, Gent/ A woman diservedly
admired by all/ An affectionate wife/ and a most prudently tender
mother/ Pious She was without hyprocrisy/ Charitable without
ostentation/ And Friendly without flatery/ Her goodness made her
esteemed here/ It likewise prepar'd her for a happy/ Immortality
hereafter. She died/ the 13th day of November 1707 Aet 85/ They had
issue 3 Sons and 5 Daughters.
Mike

Leo

Re: Is this one Gateway Ancestor overlooked?

Legg inn av Leo » 18 nov 2005 21:22:01

Some English people were pretty spectacular, but no he did not fit all into
six months :-)

My typo, he died in 1676. I also wonder about the birth date.

But what concerns me most is that Kay Allen says the line is incorrect,
without indicating which link is flawed. If the parentage of the migrant is
wrong than everything fails. But if the weak (wrong) link is in the
Washington family, then there is still a valid line to the Plantagenets.

Can anyone tell where the mistake is?

With many thanks.
Leo van de Pas

----- Original Message -----
From: <mjcar@btinternet.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Is this one Gateway Ancestor overlooked?


"Leo van de Pas" wrote:

Katherine Washington
married 30 July 1616 Stratford Avon Warwick
Thomas Stanton
/
Thomas Stanton
Indian Affairs Commissioner, original proprietor of Hartford CT
born 30 July 1616 Wolverton Warwick
died 2 December 1616 Stonington CT

Dear Leo

Apart from the other concerns, I suspect there must be a typo or two in
the above.

(1) I am suspicious of the statement that the younger Thomas Stanton
was born on the day that his parents married - particularly as
Wolverton is a good 7 or 8 miles from Startford on Avon.

(2) I am impressed that he also managed to emigrate, become Indian
Affairs Commissioner, presumably produce offspring (as he is referred
to as a Gateway Ancestor) and die before he was six months old!

Cheers

Michael


Leo

Re: Is this one Gateway Ancestor overlooked?

Legg inn av Leo » 18 nov 2005 21:28:02

Dear Martin,
See two observations in between
----- Original Message -----
From: <mhollick@mac.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: Is this one Gateway Ancestor overlooked?

<snip>

The best sources on Thomas are:

"A Record, Genealogical, Biographical, Statistical, of Thomas
Stanton, of Connecticut, and his Descendants 1635-1891" by William A.
Stanton (Albany, NY, Munsells, 1891)
--------I would love to be able to see this (sigh)

The Stanton-Washington Ancestry by Clarence Almon Torrey in TAG 14:86-7
disproves his first thought English origins. [this settles some of the
matter for Leo]
-------If he was born before 1616 then his parentage (I presume) is the

wrong link and all interesting ancestors disappear.

Many thanks for this.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

Leo

Re: Is this one Gateway Ancestor overlooked?

Legg inn av Leo » 18 nov 2005 21:40:02

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: Is this one Gateway Ancestor overlooked?


Yes I descend for Thomas Stanton also via the Hurlbut's than down
through to the Avery's. The Thomas Stanton of Wolverton died in 1664.

-----This confuses it a bit further :-)

Thomas Stanton of Wolverton married to Katherine Washington and _not_ the
father of the American Thomas, died about 1643

Thomas Stanton the migrant died 2 December 1676 in Stonington CT and was
married to Anne Lord she died there in 1688

I have a son for this last couple Thomas Stanton Jr. (no dates) married to
Sarah Denison

Where does the Thomas died in 1664 married to Elizabeth Cookes fit in??

Many thanks
Leo van de Pas

From his memorial brass which reads
Sacred/ to the Memory of/ THOMAS STANTON of this Parish/ Gent/ Lord
of this Manor and Patron of this Church/ He was a Person endeud (sic)
with all those Virtues/ And accomplishments becomeing a Christian/ or a
Gentleman, his Courteous Behavior/ And strict Observation of Justice/
Made Him Respected by his equalls and his/ Exemplary Charity no less
endeared Him to his/ Inferiours, as He liv'd belov'd so He died/
lamented ye 24th Day of October 1664/ AEtatis 47/ He Married ELIZABETH/
daughter of EDWARD COOKES of Pinly Abby, Gent/ A woman diservedly
admired by all/ An affectionate wife/ and a most prudently tender
mother/ Pious She was without hyprocrisy/ Charitable without
ostentation/ And Friendly without flatery/ Her goodness made her
esteemed here/ It likewise prepar'd her for a happy/ Immortality
hereafter. She died/ the 13th day of November 1707 Aet 85/ They had
issue 3 Sons and 5 Daughters.
Mike


Gjest

Re: Is this one Gateway Ancestor overlooked?

Legg inn av Gjest » 18 nov 2005 22:13:41

"Leo" schrieb:

Thomas Stanton of Wolverton married to Katherine Washington and _not_ the
father of the American Thomas, died about 1643

Thomas Stanton the migrant died 2 December 1676 in Stonington CT and was
married to Anne Lord she died there in 1688

Where does the Thomas died in 1664 married to Elizabeth Cookes fit in??

Presumably, he _is_ the son of Thomas Stanton and Katherine Washington;
according to his MI, he was born circa 1617. Do you know, of the two,
whether the 1616 date given in the first post is correct for Thomas &
Katherine's marriage, or for their son Thomas's birth?

In any case, apart from any other corrections required for the earlier
parts of the pedigree, Thomas & Katherine's [presumed] son Thomas
Stanton c1617-1664 is apparently not to be equated with the emigrant
of that name.

Cheers

MAR

Kay Allen

Re: Is This One Gateway Ancestor Overlooked?

Legg inn av Kay Allen » 19 nov 2005 00:38:02

Dear Leo and group,

To the best of my knowledge, the parentage of the CT
Thomas Stanton is unknown.

K

--- Leo <leo@home.netspeed.com.au> wrote:

Dear Spencer,

Thanks for pointing out these details. If that is
where the line fails then,
for the time being, the Plantagenet line still
stands. Kay Allen said there
is an error but she did not say where, depending on
that the Plantagenet
line could still be viable.

Thanks.
Leo


----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: Is This One Gateway Ancestor
Overlooked?


Robert Washington of Sulgrave Manor, reportedly
the eldest son of Lawrence
Washington and Margaret Butler, died young, in his
early twenties. He was
supposedly dead by 1610.

I don't see any evidence Robert was ever married.

Further, Robert's father was allegedly born circa
1568 and married
Margaret
in 1588.

So, I don't see how Robert could have been born in
1544. Vide infra.

DSH

""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au
wrote in message
news:004f01c5ebd3$4be1e750$0300a8c0@Toshiba...

Gilbert von Studnitz kindly supplied me with
details and these details
link into quite an interesting ancestry.

Cospatrick, 3rd Earl of Dunbar, who is descended
from Scottish and
English
kings, is the father of Sir Patrick of the
Hirschel, also known as Patric
de Offerton.

Patrick de Offerton is most likely, but not
proven, the father of William
de Wessington/Washington

William de Washington
/
William de Washington, of Washington
/
Sir William de Washington, of Washington
1212-1264
/
Sir William de Washington, of Washington
/
Robert de Washington/Wessington
1260-1324
/
Robert de Washington, of Carnforth
/
John de Washington
/
John de Washington
1385-1423
/
Robert Washington, of Tewitfield
/
Robert Washington, of Warton
/
John Washington, of Warton
1478-1528
/
Lawrence Washington, of Sulgrave Manor
1505-1584
/
Robert Washington, of Sulgrave Manor
1544-1621
/
Walter Washington
1570-1597
/
Katherine Washington
born circa 1597 Radway Grange Warwick
died after 1616 Wolverton
married 30 July 1616 Stratford Avon Warwick
Thomas Stanton
born about 1585 Woilverton Warwick
died 1643 Longbridge
/
Thomas Stanton
Indian Affairs Commissioner, original proprietor
of Hartford CT
born 30 July 1616 Wolverton Warwick
died 2 December 1616 Stonington CT

Yes, he also has Plantagenet ancestors. If anyone
can add or correct this
line I would be very grateful.

With Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia





bistritz

Re: Is This One Gateway Ancestor Overlooked?

Legg inn av bistritz » 19 nov 2005 19:33:05

Does the following help a bit with this quandry? This is material I
found in research:

There have been claims that Thomas is the son of Thomas and Katherine
(Washington) Stanton of Wolverton, Warwickshire. In "The American
Genealogists" Volume XIV, D.L. Jacobus, New Haven, Conn. 1937, is an
article by Clarence Almon Terry, PH.B of Dorchester, Mass - The
Stanton-Washington Ancestry". Almon consulted published works on Oxford
students and John Burke's "A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the
Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland". From these records "it is
evident that Thomas Stanton, som of Thomas and Katherine (Washington)
Stanton, remained in England; that he entered Oxford, aged 17 years, in
1634; that he married Elizabeth Cookes and had a son Thomas, who was 17
in 1664, when he was admitted to Oxford." Thus he is not the same
person as Thomas Stanton of Connecticut.

However, Bernard Stanton the President of The Thomas Stanton
Society (1999) wrote in April 1999 that "the root of the problem lies
with two Stanton brothers having the same name. This unusual practice
was bound to cause problems. [Its precedent was established by the
family of John and Elizabeth (Townesend) Stanton, great grandparents of
our Thomas]." Regarding the Terry's identification of the third Thomas,
"we claim (he) has been wrongly identified. The reason for our opinion
lies on the Stanton memorials found on the wall of Wolverton's Church,
St. Mary the Virgin. Here Thomas Stanton, Lord of the Manor, was born
in 1621 and died in 1664. His birth was two years after the visitation.
This Thomas married Elizabeth Cooke, the daughter of Edward (This was
so noted by Terry in referring to the chart "Staunton of Longbridge,
1835"). It was also found on the church memorial. Another memorial
notes the birth of Thomas, son and heir of Thomas and Elizabeth, born
1646, died 1715 (He was the third Stanton on the Oxford list). Terry
was not aware of the church memorials that revealed a second Stanton
child in the family to carry the name Thomas."

"Oxford records as quoted by Terry, tell of Thomas Stanton Sr.
born in 1595, enrolling in Jan. 1610 at age 15. He was the father of
Thomas Stanton (Staunton) Jr., 1st son of Thomas of Wolverton, enrolled
July 1634 at age 17. A third Thomas, "son of Tho. of Wolverton, c.
Warwickshire, gent." was born. He enrolled 13 July, 1664, at age 17.
His memorial claims him the son of Thomas and Elizabeth. That makes him
the nephew of our Thomas, not the son as reported."

"We now have two Thomas Stantons born of Thomas and Katherine
(Washington) Stanton. The first son Thomas is spelled out in the
visitation chart. The second son Thomas is called out in the Staunton
of Longbridge chart; in addition, he is identified as the husband of
Elizabeth Cooke."

The inscriptions referred to are:

1. Nave, South side by Screen. Wall-tablet.
Arms: STANTON (of 3) impaling --- (No Tinctures)
Crest: On a torse, set upon am Esquire's Helmet, a ? fox sejant,
collared and chained.
Sacred/ to the Memory of/ THOMAS STANTON of this Parish/ Gent/
Lord of this Manor and Patron of this Church/ He was a Person endeud
(sic) with all those Virtues/ And accomplishments becomeing a
Christian/ or a Gentleman, his Courteous Behavior/ And strict
Observation of Justice/ Made Him Respected by his equalls and his/
Exemplary Charity no less endeared Him to his/ Inferiours, as He liv'd
belov'd so He died/ lamented ye 24th Day of October 1664/ AEtatis 47/
He Married ELIZABETH/ daughter of EDWARD COOKES of Pinly Abby, Gent/ A
woman diservedly admired by all/ An affectionate wife/ and a most
prudently tender mother/ Pious She was without hyprocrisy/ Charitable
without ostentation/ And Friendly without flatery/ Her goodness made
her esteemed here/ It likewise prepar'd her for a happy/ Immortality
hereafter. She died/ the 13th day of November 1707 Aet 85/ They had
issue 3 Sons and 5 Daughters.

2. Nave, North side, by Screen, Wall-tablet.
Arms: Two chevronds in a bordure engrailed.
Crest: On a torse, set upon an Esquire's Helmet, a ? fox sejant,
collared and chained.
Here lyeth/ the body of/ THOMAS STANTON/ late of this Parish,
Gent/ son and heire of/ THOMAS STANTON and/ ELIZABETH his wife who/
died the 14th of December/ Anno Com: 1715, Aetatis 69/ To whose Memory
this/ Monument was Erected.
Thomas's will was probated on 20 September 1678

Kay Allen wrote:
Dear Leo and group,

To the best of my knowledge, the parentage of the CT
Thomas Stanton is unknown.

K

Gjest

Re: Is This One Gateway Ancestor Overlooked?

Legg inn av Gjest » 19 nov 2005 19:42:55

bistritz schrieb:

However, Bernard Stanton the President of The Thomas Stanton
Society (1999) wrote in April 1999 that "the root of the problem lies
with two Stanton brothers having the same name. The reason for our opinion
lies on the Stanton memorials found on the wall of Wolverton's Church,
St. Mary the Virgin. Here Thomas Stanton, Lord of the Manor, was born
in 1621 and died in 1664. His birth was two years after the visitation.

But his MI states he died in 1664 _aged 47_, i.e. born in 1617, not
1621. This 1621 birthdate appears to be a fabrication.

"Oxford records as quoted by Terry, tell of Thomas Stanton Sr.
born in 1595, enrolling in Jan. 1610 at age 15. He was the father of
Thomas Stanton (Staunton) Jr., 1st son of Thomas of Wolverton, enrolled
July 1634 at age 17."

Indeed, thus excluding the emigrant.
"We now have two Thomas Stantons born of Thomas and Katherine
(Washington) Stanton.

Except we don't have any such thing: we have one: born c1617; recorded
in the Visitation of 1619; admitted to Oxford, 1634 aged 17; died 1664
aged 47.

There are none so blind...

Kay Allen

Re: Is This One Gateway Ancestor Overlooked?

Legg inn av Kay Allen » 19 nov 2005 21:38:02

It is Torrey, not Terry. He was one of the premier
genealogists of his time.

K

--- bistritz <gvonstud@aol.com> wrote:

Does the following help a bit with this quandry?
This is material I
found in research:

There have been claims that Thomas is the son of
Thomas and Katherine
(Washington) Stanton of Wolverton, Warwickshire. In
"The American
Genealogists" Volume XIV, D.L. Jacobus, New Haven,
Conn. 1937, is an
article by Clarence Almon Terry, PH.B of Dorchester,
Mass - The
Stanton-Washington Ancestry". Almon consulted
published works on Oxford
students and John Burke's "A Genealogical and
Heraldic History of the
Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland". From these
records "it is
evident that Thomas Stanton, som of Thomas and
Katherine (Washington)
Stanton, remained in England; that he entered
Oxford, aged 17 years, in
1634; that he married Elizabeth Cookes and had a son
Thomas, who was 17
in 1664, when he was admitted to Oxford." Thus he is
not the same
person as Thomas Stanton of Connecticut.

However, Bernard Stanton the President of The
Thomas Stanton
Society (1999) wrote in April 1999 that "the root of
the problem lies
with two Stanton brothers having the same name. This
unusual practice
was bound to cause problems. [Its precedent was
established by the
family of John and Elizabeth (Townesend) Stanton,
great grandparents of
our Thomas]." Regarding the Terry's identification
of the third Thomas,
"we claim (he) has been wrongly identified. The
reason for our opinion
lies on the Stanton memorials found on the wall of
Wolverton's Church,
St. Mary the Virgin. Here Thomas Stanton, Lord of
the Manor, was born
in 1621 and died in 1664. His birth was two years
after the visitation.
This Thomas married Elizabeth Cooke, the daughter of
Edward (This was
so noted by Terry in referring to the chart
"Staunton of Longbridge,
1835"). It was also found on the church memorial.
Another memorial
notes the birth of Thomas, son and heir of Thomas
and Elizabeth, born
1646, died 1715 (He was the third Stanton on the
Oxford list). Terry
was not aware of the church memorials that revealed
a second Stanton
child in the family to carry the name Thomas."

"Oxford records as quoted by Terry, tell of
Thomas Stanton Sr.
born in 1595, enrolling in Jan. 1610 at age 15. He
was the father of
Thomas Stanton (Staunton) Jr., 1st son of Thomas of
Wolverton, enrolled
July 1634 at age 17. A third Thomas, "son of Tho. of
Wolverton, c.
Warwickshire, gent." was born. He enrolled 13 July,
1664, at age 17.
His memorial claims him the son of Thomas and
Elizabeth. That makes him
the nephew of our Thomas, not the son as reported."

"We now have two Thomas Stantons born of Thomas
and Katherine
(Washington) Stanton. The first son Thomas is
spelled out in the
visitation chart. The second son Thomas is called
out in the Staunton
of Longbridge chart; in addition, he is identified
as the husband of
Elizabeth Cooke."

The inscriptions referred to are:

1. Nave, South side by Screen. Wall-tablet.
Arms: STANTON (of 3) impaling --- (No Tinctures)
Crest: On a torse, set upon am Esquire's Helmet, a ?
fox sejant,
collared and chained.
Sacred/ to the Memory of/ THOMAS STANTON of
this Parish/ Gent/
Lord of this Manor and Patron of this Church/ He was
a Person endeud
(sic) with all those Virtues/ And accomplishments
becomeing a
Christian/ or a Gentleman, his Courteous Behavior/
And strict
Observation of Justice/ Made Him Respected by his
equalls and his/
Exemplary Charity no less endeared Him to his/
Inferiours, as He liv'd
belov'd so He died/ lamented ye 24th Day of October
1664/ AEtatis 47/
He Married ELIZABETH/ daughter of EDWARD COOKES of
Pinly Abby, Gent/ A
woman diservedly admired by all/ An affectionate
wife/ and a most
prudently tender mother/ Pious She was without
hyprocrisy/ Charitable
without ostentation/ And Friendly without flatery/
Her goodness made
her esteemed here/ It likewise prepar'd her for a
happy/ Immortality
hereafter. She died/ the 13th day of November 1707
Aet 85/ They had
issue 3 Sons and 5 Daughters.

2. Nave, North side, by Screen, Wall-tablet.
Arms: Two chevronds in a bordure engrailed.
Crest: On a torse, set upon an Esquire's Helmet, a ?
fox sejant,
collared and chained.
Here lyeth/ the body of/ THOMAS STANTON/ late
of this Parish,
Gent/ son and heire of/ THOMAS STANTON and/
ELIZABETH his wife who/
died the 14th of December/ Anno Com: 1715, Aetatis
69/ To whose Memory
this/ Monument was Erected.
Thomas's will was probated on 20 September 1678

Kay Allen wrote:
Dear Leo and group,

To the best of my knowledge, the parentage of the
CT
Thomas Stanton is unknown.

K



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