The Merlay-Somerville-Griffith descent

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Clagett, Brice

The Merlay-Somerville-Griffith descent

Legg inn av Clagett, Brice » 15 nov 2005 08:20:02

Seeing the reference to the Gobion-Merlay marriage in recent
posts makes me wonder whether any one has solved the
parentage of Isabelle Gobion, fl. 1379-1401, who married (1)
Robert Paslew, of Drayton Parslow, Bucks, (2) John Wydeville,
by whom she was great-grandmother of Queen Elizabeth Wyde-
ville and her many siblings.

jeffchip9

Re: The Merlay-Somerville-Griffith descent

Legg inn av jeffchip9 » 22 nov 2005 04:54:32

Dear Doug--
I wish you had waited until I received the 1471 IPM of Sir John
Griffith before writing a paragraph on him in your "William the Lion
descent" post. The IPM will be in latin, and since I do not know
latin, what I want to do is scan it and then email it to several people
who can translate it (I was rather hoping you would be one of them,
along with Peter Sutton and Chris Phillips, who Tim Powys-Libbe said
were more than capable of rendering it, if it's alright with them).
This IPM aparently hasn't been translated before, although Carus Vale
Collier did cite it (correctly) in his book on the Boyntons and I was
able to locate it at Kew. Collier, of course, would have been working
from a handwritten copy; no copy machines in 1914. At this point, I
feel you're probably right about the Edward III descent, but hopefully
the IPM will answer a lot of questions.

On a related matter, The University of Hull, which has a lot of
Griffith and Collier material, has informed me they do not have the
1604 Griffith scroll. It's probably still in the possession of
relatives of Capt. Marcus Wickham-Boynton and I have no idea how to
contact them, so there you go.

Although the Griffiths are just one line of Diana (Skipwith) Dale, and
I knew little about them until a couple of months ago, I am interested
to find that Diana was a descendant of Sancha de Ayala and has another
William the Lion line. I hope that once the IPM of Sir John Griffith
is translated, you will consider putting the Griffith/Somerville/Merlay
families in your "baronial book." They are an interesting family
group.

I am glad that you solved the Maude de Roos/John de Welles marriage,
and your Browne pedigree to Kempe in PA3 and MCA is correct (I think
Walter Browne, writing in the latter half of the 16th knew what he was
talking about, and the chronology, far from being suspect, is actually
very good). I am also glad that you changed your estimate of Cardinal
Henry Beaufort's "daughter" Joan to being "alleged." I examined one of
those lines in connection with a Danvers family, and found that the
Cardinal never actually akcnowledged Joan himself. All of those lines
should be labelled "unproven," and I was disappointed to find that Gary
Boyd Roberts said he was "probably" a descendant of one and put several
in RD600.

I should have the IPM by the middle of next month.

Jeff Chipman

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