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Google Print copyright cut-off

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 11 nov 2005 18:57:42

I haven't seen this commented on elsewhere, but while (I gather) Google
Print is providing the full text of works published since 1923 to visitors
from the USA, those from other countries aren't as fortunate. As far as I
can see from the UK, a cut-off date of 140 years is being applied, so the
full text is available only for works published before 1865!

In an example on Google's website, "books in the public domain
internationally" equates to those published up to 1846 ...

Chris Phillips

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Re: Google Print copyright cut-off

Legg inn av Gjest » 11 nov 2005 21:22:23

Chris Phillips schrieb:

I haven't seen this commented on elsewhere, but while (I gather) Google
Print is providing the full text of works published since 1923 to visitors
from the USA, those from other countries aren't as fortunate. As far as I
can see from the UK, a cut-off date of 140 years is being applied, so the
full text is available only for works published before 1865!

In an example on Google's website, "books in the public domain
internationally" equates to those published up to 1846 ...

Chris Phillips

I'm glad it's not just me, Chris! I haven't been able to view most of
the interesting details that John Brandon has been posting. Perhaps we
shall just have to wait a few years...

Michael

Denis Beauregard

Re: Google Print copyright cut-off

Legg inn av Denis Beauregard » 12 nov 2005 06:10:02

Le Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:57:42 -0000, "Chris Phillips"
<cgp@medievalgenealogy.org.uk> écrivait dans soc.genealogy.medieval:

I haven't seen this commented on elsewhere, but while (I gather) Google
Print is providing the full text of works published since 1923 to visitors
from the USA, those from other countries aren't as fortunate. As far as I
can see from the UK, a cut-off date of 140 years is being applied, so the
full text is available only for works published before 1865!

In an example on Google's website, "books in the public domain
internationally" equates to those published up to 1846 ...

Suppose someone publish a work in 1846 while being 14 years old.
He died when 100 years old, in 1930. If the local law keeps the
copyrights for 75 years, they expires in 2005. So, they probably
estimated the worse case with such figures.


Denis

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Chris Phillips

Re: Google Print copyright cut-off

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 12 nov 2005 09:18:52

Denis Beauregard wrote:
Suppose someone publish a work in 1846 while being 14 years old.
He died when 100 years old, in 1930. If the local law keeps the
copyrights for 75 years, they expires in 2005. So, they probably
estimated the worse case with such figures.


Yes - I'm sure you're right that this is what's happened.

But it seems strange to me that they haven't bothered to look up the dates
of the authors' deaths, and regulate access accordingly.

One of Google's partners in this project is the Bodleian Library, in Oxford.
It would be ironic if the books scanned there remain inaccessible to
Internet users in Oxford, but accessible in Oklahoma.

Chris Phillips

Denis Beauregard

Re: Google Print copyright cut-off

Legg inn av Denis Beauregard » 12 nov 2005 09:56:01

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:18:52 -0000, "Chris Phillips"
<cgp@medievalgenealogy.org.uk> wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:

Denis Beauregard wrote:
Suppose someone publish a work in 1846 while being 14 years old.
He died when 100 years old, in 1930. If the local law keeps the
copyrights for 75 years, they expires in 2005. So, they probably
estimated the worse case with such figures.


Yes - I'm sure you're right that this is what's happened.

But it seems strange to me that they haven't bothered to look up the dates
of the authors' deaths, and regulate access accordingly.

And how do you know the date of death of those authors ? If you
are long enough in genealogy and decided to track those people
with your family name (less common in medieval genealogy, but
there is something called ONS or One Name Studies), you know that
it is not easy to identify everybody. So, they probably use that
140 years gap when they have no data about the death year, but
once they found some reliable date of death for someone, them they
will likely extend the availability of material.

One of Google's partners in this project is the Bodleian Library, in Oxford.
It would be ironic if the books scanned there remain inaccessible to
Internet users in Oxford, but accessible in Oklahoma.

But the rule seems to be for the place where the work was published.
So that a work will be viewable on all or no google servers.


Denis

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oo oo Mon association de généalogie: http://www.sgcf.com

Chris Phillips

Re: Google Print copyright cut-off

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 12 nov 2005 20:56:34

Denis Beauregard wrote:
So, they probably use that
140 years gap when they have no data about the death year, but
once they found some reliable date of death for someone, them they
will likely extend the availability of material.

I hope that's the case - it remains to be seen.

But the rule seems to be for the place where the work was published.
So that a work will be viewable on all or no google servers.

Judging from the posts here (and from Google's press release) all the
pre-1923 material is fully accessible to visitors in the USA. The cut-off
for visitors from the UK seems to be 1865.

Chris Phillips

Gjest

Re: Google Print copyright cut-off

Legg inn av Gjest » 12 nov 2005 21:38:40

In a message dated 11/12/05 1:00:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,
no@nospam.com.invalid writes:

<< So, they probably use that
140 years gap when they have no data about the death year, but
once they found some reliable date of death for someone >>

Just a personal anecdote about this. I found a work that discussed a person
I was tracking and so I added the author and her immediate family to the
research. I found where she was in 1910 and she was about 65 at the time. The
library of congress (US) was waiting to open access to that work on their site
and the administrator asked me if I knew when the person had died so they could
perhaps open it immediately. But I didn't. So they have to wait, barring
anyone else presenting the fact, until perhaps 1945 plus 75 years = 2020 or
something of that sort.

Will Johnson

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