SP Addition: Helen of Strathearn, wife of Sir David Graham

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SP Addition: Helen of Strathearn, wife of Sir David Graham

Legg inn av Gjest » 10 nov 2005 03:16:15

Wednesday, 9 November, 2005



Hello All,

The account in SP concerning the Grahams of Montrose provides
little concerning most of the wives of this family prior to 1400. In
the current instance, the wife of Sir David de Graham (d. bef 4 April
1374) is unidentified.

I have found the dispensation for the marriage of Sir David which
identifies his wife, and further highlights her ancestry:


" 1353.
7 Id. Oct. To David de Grame, knight, and Helen, relict
Avignon. of Reginald Chene, knight, of the dioceses of
(f. 448.) Brechin and St. Andrews.
Dispensation, at the request of John, king
of France, to intermarry, they being related
in the fourth degree of kindred. [Theiner, 305.] "[1]


Helen, wife of Sir Reginald le Cheyne, was previously identified
as the daughter of Malise, Earl of Strathearn (this from James
Primrose's "Strathbrock or the History and Antiquities of the Parish
of Uphall" as I have it). We can now set forth the pedigree based
upon the evidence given in this dispensation:


Robert, Earl = NN
of Strathearn I
d. bef 1244 I
___________________________I_____________
I I
Malise, Earl = 1) Matilda Annabela = Sir Patrick
of Strathearn I of Orkney I de Graham
d. bef 23 Nov I I k. 1296
1271 I I
________I ______ ___I______
I I I
Malise = Marjory Sir David Graham NN = Sir
E of Strathearn I Comyn d. 1329 Malcolm
d. 1312 I I Drummond
_____________I ____I_________________
I I I
Malise = 1) NN Sir David Graham Margaret
E of Strathearn I d. ca. 1330 = Hugh
d. 1328 I I E of Ross
I_______ I______
I I
1) Sir Reginald = Helen of = 2) Sir David
le Cheyne I Strathearn I de Graham
d bef 1353 I I d. 1371
V I
I
Sir Patrick Graham
1st Lord Graham
d. aft 6 May 1400


On a related note, Sir Patrick Graham, Lord Graham (d. 1400) is
identified in a charter of 1391 as a cousin of King Robert III [2].
This has been explained by two known marital relationships:

1. Sir Patrick’s 2nd wife was Egidia Stewart, a 1st cousin
of the King. The date of this marriage is unknown, but
likely occurred before 1391.

2. Sir Patrick was a 3rd cousin of Annabela Drummond,
Robert III’s wife, by common descent from Sir Patrick de
Graham and Annabela of Strathearn [see chart above].

Another interesting possibility: Sir Patrick’s mother, Helen of
Strathearn, may actually have been a daughter of Earl Malise (d. 1328)
by his 2nd wife, Joanna de Menteith, instead of his unknown 1st wife.
If this were correct, Sir Patrick would have been a 4th cousin of King
Robert III, by common descent from Alexander the Steward (d. 1283).
[I should note, Andrew MacEwen has pointed out that the chronology
does not work well with this hypothesis.]

Cheers,

John *




NOTES

[1] Bliss,ed. Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers
relating to Great Britain and Ireland: Papal Letters,
Vol. III (A.D. 1342 - 1362) [London: PRO, 1897, reprinted
1971], p. 514.

[2] Sir Thomas of Erskine, Sir Patrick of Graham,and Sir Robert of
Danielston, the King's cousins and knights,..' witnessed together
with others,
' A Charter under the Great Seal granted by Robert III, King of
Scotland to his cousin David Fleming of £50 sterling of annual
rent due to him by religious men,...dated at Scone, 14th March
1391.' [Charter Chest of the Earls of Wigtown, p. 101,
no. 847 - 'cf. Reg. Mag. Sig. folio vol. p. 200']



* John P. Ravilious

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