Among the benefactors to the Nunnery of Winteneye, Hanpshire is Margaret
Zowche, lady of Farelehe. ND
Norden's 1607 map of the area shows a fortified enclosure and manor house at
Fareleigh.-Fayrleigh-Ferlege Bermesplet Hundred -
Farligh-shown on an old map by Saxton 1575 - settlement, village -
Southamtoniae refce: Saxton 1575
1307 . Grant. ..to Nicholas de Pershute of 22 1/2/ acres of the like in the
forest of Bocholte, co. Southampton, to wit 6 1/2 acres in a place called
Caulescroft on the west side of the road from Berghton to Hampton,
descending southwards from the soil of Oliver la Zouche under the covert of
the wood of Bokholte to an assart lately made at the south end of
Caulescroft by John de Crokesle [justice for preambulation] latelyappointed
by the king to sell wood in the forest......
Oliver la Zouche, son of Alan and Elena de Quincy m. 1) perhaps Iseult
Kernet, 2) Joan de Cobham who m. 1) M. (W.) de Columbers (Columbrez)
Among Oliver's property is S. Chardford and Hugh de Chernet held Charford in
1166. 1305 Grant to Olive le Zusche and his heirs of free warren in all
their demesne lands in Suthchardeford and La Hyde, co. Shamt
Could this Margaret be the daughter born to Oliver by his first wife?
Thank you for observations.
Pat
Margaret Zowche, lady of fareleigh
Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Margaret Zowche, lady of Fareleigh
Dear Patricia ~
I assume your source for this information is a list of early
benefactors to Wintney Priory, Hampshire, which list is found in
William Dugdale, Monasticon Anglicanum, 5 (1825): 722. A copy of this
information may be viewed online at the following web address:
http://monasticmatrix.usc.edu/bibliogra ... il&id=2659
The list of early benefactors to Wintney Priory includes "Margaret
Zowche, lady of Farelehe," and Sir Geoffrey Fitz Peter, Earl of Essex
(died 1213).
My guess is that the Margaret la Zouche intended was Margaret, wife of
Roger la Zouche (he died 1238), which Margaret was likely a daughter of
Henry Biset, of Kidderminster, Worcestershire. My file notes indicate
that Roger la Zouche owned property in Hempshire. Margaret, wife of
Roger la Zouche, was living in 1220, and thus she would have been a
contemporary to Sir Geoffrey Fitz Peter, Earl of Essex.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
"Patricia Junkin" wrote:
I assume your source for this information is a list of early
benefactors to Wintney Priory, Hampshire, which list is found in
William Dugdale, Monasticon Anglicanum, 5 (1825): 722. A copy of this
information may be viewed online at the following web address:
http://monasticmatrix.usc.edu/bibliogra ... il&id=2659
The list of early benefactors to Wintney Priory includes "Margaret
Zowche, lady of Farelehe," and Sir Geoffrey Fitz Peter, Earl of Essex
(died 1213).
My guess is that the Margaret la Zouche intended was Margaret, wife of
Roger la Zouche (he died 1238), which Margaret was likely a daughter of
Henry Biset, of Kidderminster, Worcestershire. My file notes indicate
that Roger la Zouche owned property in Hempshire. Margaret, wife of
Roger la Zouche, was living in 1220, and thus she would have been a
contemporary to Sir Geoffrey Fitz Peter, Earl of Essex.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
"Patricia Junkin" wrote:
Among the benefactors to the Nunnery of Winteneye, Hanpshire is Margaret
Zowche, lady of Farelehe. ND
Norden's 1607 map of the area shows a fortified enclosure and manor house at
Fareleigh.-Fayrleigh-Ferlege Bermesplet Hundred -
Farligh-shown on an old map by Saxton 1575 - settlement, village -
Southamtoniae refce: Saxton 1575
1307 . Grant. ..to Nicholas de Pershute of 22 1/2/ acres of the like in the
forest of Bocholte, co. Southampton, to wit 6 1/2 acres in a place called
Caulescroft on the west side of the road from Berghton to Hampton,
descending southwards from the soil of Oliver la Zouche under the covert of
the wood of Bokholte to an assart lately made at the south end of
Caulescroft by John de Crokesle [justice for preambulation] latelyappointed
by the king to sell wood in the forest......
Oliver la Zouche, son of Alan and Elena de Quincy m. 1) perhaps Iseult
Kernet, 2) Joan de Cobham who m. 1) M. (W.) de Columbers (Columbrez)
Among Oliver's property is S. Chardford and Hugh de Chernet held Charford in
1166. 1305 Grant to Olive le Zusche and his heirs of free warren in all
their demesne lands in Suthchardeford and La Hyde, co. Shamt
Could this Margaret be the daughter born to Oliver by his first wife?
Thank you for observations.
Pat
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Patricia Junkin
Re: Margaret Zowche, lady of Fareleigh
Douglas,
Thank you for your reply. Since there is no confirmed date on Margaret's
largesse and I find no reference to Fareleigh in the manors of Roger and his
descendants, I continue to suspect she was Oliver's daughter.
In the PRO ref. PRO:E 210/1021
Confirmation by Roger la Zuche, son and heir of Sir Alan la Zuche, to the
leprous women and the prior and brethren of Maydenebradelegh [Maiden
Bradley], of a grant in frank almoin (recited) made to them by his said
father, of a yearly rent of 100s. &c. due from Sir Nicholas de Vaus for
lands in Tudewrthe; in return for which brother John the prior, and the sick
sisters, and the brethren, of the said house, granted a chaplain to
celebrate divine sevice for the souls of Sir Alan and the lady Elena his
wife &c.[ A.D. 1269-1285. ]...this Roger is the grandson of Margaret Biset
whose family members were patrons of Maiden Bradley. Olliver la Zuche held
lands in Hampshire. His South Charford, Cerdicesford, Cerdices (ford):
South Charford land lies within the Hundred of Fodingbridge. Fordingbridge
Hundred encompasses North Charford with South Charford, Ellingham,
Fordingbridge with Godshill, Broomy Lodge, Linford, Picked Post and Shobley,
Hale, Rockbourne, South Damerham, Martin and Whitsbury The hundred of
Fordingbridge was apparently granted with the manors of Nether Burgate and
Rockburne to Manser Biset. Charford was held by Hugh le Port and passed to
the Chernet family who held it for 200 years. Hugh le Port also held Avene.
It appears that Avene follows Oliver's line to 1377 when John Fitz-Elys dies
with:
Southampton. Avene: a messuage and land held jointly with Isabel his wife,
who survives, to them and their assignees of John la Zouche, Knt. by
knight¹s services.
I think we must consider that Margaret was Oliver's daughter. I also think
he or his descendants had additional male heirs.
Very much appreciate your thoughts and would like to first more data
supporting Margaret's placement.
Pat
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Thank you for your reply. Since there is no confirmed date on Margaret's
largesse and I find no reference to Fareleigh in the manors of Roger and his
descendants, I continue to suspect she was Oliver's daughter.
In the PRO ref. PRO:E 210/1021
Confirmation by Roger la Zuche, son and heir of Sir Alan la Zuche, to the
leprous women and the prior and brethren of Maydenebradelegh [Maiden
Bradley], of a grant in frank almoin (recited) made to them by his said
father, of a yearly rent of 100s. &c. due from Sir Nicholas de Vaus for
lands in Tudewrthe; in return for which brother John the prior, and the sick
sisters, and the brethren, of the said house, granted a chaplain to
celebrate divine sevice for the souls of Sir Alan and the lady Elena his
wife &c.[ A.D. 1269-1285. ]...this Roger is the grandson of Margaret Biset
whose family members were patrons of Maiden Bradley. Olliver la Zuche held
lands in Hampshire. His South Charford, Cerdicesford, Cerdices (ford):
South Charford land lies within the Hundred of Fodingbridge. Fordingbridge
Hundred encompasses North Charford with South Charford, Ellingham,
Fordingbridge with Godshill, Broomy Lodge, Linford, Picked Post and Shobley,
Hale, Rockbourne, South Damerham, Martin and Whitsbury The hundred of
Fordingbridge was apparently granted with the manors of Nether Burgate and
Rockburne to Manser Biset. Charford was held by Hugh le Port and passed to
the Chernet family who held it for 200 years. Hugh le Port also held Avene.
It appears that Avene follows Oliver's line to 1377 when John Fitz-Elys dies
with:
Southampton. Avene: a messuage and land held jointly with Isabel his wife,
who survives, to them and their assignees of John la Zouche, Knt. by
knight¹s services.
I think we must consider that Margaret was Oliver's daughter. I also think
he or his descendants had additional male heirs.
Very much appreciate your thoughts and would like to first more data
supporting Margaret's placement.
Pat
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From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Margaret Zowche, lady of Fareleigh
Date: Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 1:18 PM
Dear Patricia ~
I assume your source for this information is a list of early
benefactors to Wintney Priory, Hampshire, which list is found in
William Dugdale, Monasticon Anglicanum, 5 (1825): 722. A copy of this
information may be viewed online at the following web address:
http://monasticmatrix.usc.edu/bibliogra ... il&id=2659
The list of early benefactors to Wintney Priory includes "Margaret
Zowche, lady of Farelehe," and Sir Geoffrey Fitz Peter, Earl of Essex
(died 1213).
My guess is that the Margaret la Zouche intended was Margaret, wife of
Roger la Zouche (he died 1238), which Margaret was likely a daughter of
Henry Biset, of Kidderminster, Worcestershire. My file notes indicate
that Roger la Zouche owned property in Hempshire. Margaret, wife of
Roger la Zouche, was living in 1220, and thus she would have been a
contemporary to Sir Geoffrey Fitz Peter, Earl of Essex.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
"Patricia Junkin" wrote:
Among the benefactors to the Nunnery of Winteneye, Hanpshire is Margaret
Zowche, lady of Farelehe. ND
Norden's 1607 map of the area shows a fortified enclosure and manor house at
Fareleigh.-Fayrleigh-Ferlege Bermesplet Hundred -
Farligh-shown on an old map by Saxton 1575 - settlement, village -
Southamtoniae refce: Saxton 1575
1307 . Grant. ..to Nicholas de Pershute of 22 1/2/ acres of the like in the
forest of Bocholte, co. Southampton, to wit 6 1/2 acres in a place called
Caulescroft on the west side of the road from Berghton to Hampton,
descending southwards from the soil of Oliver la Zouche under the covert of
the wood of Bokholte to an assart lately made at the south end of
Caulescroft by John de Crokesle [justice for preambulation] latelyappointed
by the king to sell wood in the forest......
Oliver la Zouche, son of Alan and Elena de Quincy m. 1) perhaps Iseult
Kernet, 2) Joan de Cobham who m. 1) M. (W.) de Columbers (Columbrez)
Among Oliver's property is S. Chardford and Hugh de Chernet held Charford in
1166. 1305 Grant to Olive le Zusche and his heirs of free warren in all
their demesne lands in Suthchardeford and La Hyde, co. Shamt
Could this Margaret be the daughter born to Oliver by his first wife?
Thank you for observations.
Pat