Richard de Scrupes (or Crupes), son-in-law of Lord Basset of

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Richard de Scrupes (or Crupes), son-in-law of Lord Basset of

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 28 okt 2005 23:35:39

Dear Newsgroup ~

There is an interesting article by C.T. Clay entitled "The Family of
Scrupes or Crupes of Whittington, co. Gloucester" which appeared in
Trans. of the Bristol & Gloucestershire Archaeological Society, 65
(1944): 129-140. In his article, Mr. Clay mentions in passing the
marriage of a certain Maud Basset, daughter of an unidentified Lord
Basset of Drayton, to one Richard de Scrupes (or Crupes), of
Whittington, Gloucestershire. There appear to have been three
successive Richard de Scrupes in this family, one occurs from 1257 to
1278, which individual was a knight; his son, Richard, who was living
in 1284-5, 1303, and 1316; and a third Richard who occurs from 1333 to
1336. It appears that Maud Basset must have married either the first
or second Richard, as the third Richard was survived by a wife, Isabel.


Specifically, Mr. Clay states that a Richard Scrupes (or Crupes) of
this family died in 1336, "leaving as his heir a son Edmund aged four
years and more, and having held the manor of Whittington in chief by
grand serjeanty, namely by the service of finding for the king two
armend men in every war at his own charges for forty days, and also 8
li. rent from free tenants in Long Whatton, co. Leicester, of Henry de
Beaumont by the service of a twentieth part of a knight's fee (45).
The latter holding is explained by a record that 'lord Basset of
Drayton gave 11 yard lands and 3 cottages [in Long Whatton] to Richard
de Croupes in frank marriage with Maud his daughter.' (46). On 2 Dec.
1336 John de Ravenesholme, king's yeoman, was granted the custody of
the lands lately held by Richard de Crupes, tenant in chief, with the
marriage of the heir (47). On 5 March 1340-1 a pardon was issed for a
fine of 10 li. to William Hasard and Isabel his wife, sometime wife of
Richard de Croupes, tenant in chief, for her trespass in marrying
without the king's license (48). Edmund, Richard's son and heir, died
on 24 Sept. 1361 ... his heir being Alice his sister aged thirty years
and more, wife of Thomas Baskerville. (49). It is probable that Alice
in her widowhood was the Alice Croupes who held a knight's fee in
Whittington in 1402 (50).

45. Cal. Inq. p.m. VIII, no. 26, following writ dared 10 Jan. 1336-7.

46. Nichols, Leicestershire, III, 1104, which also shows that the
tenure of Basset in Long Whatton was subordinate to that of Beaumont.
There is no indication of the date of the gift, or to which Richard it
was made.

47. Cal. Patent Rolls, 1334-8, pp. 345, 485. In 1346 John de
Ravenesholm paid 40s. for a knight's fee in Whittington, formerly held
by Robert de Croupes, for the aid for the knighting of prince Edward
(Feudal Aids. II, 278).

48. Cal. Patent Rolls, 1340-3, pg. 140.

49. Cal. Inq. p.m. XI, no. 56.

50. Feudal Aids, II, 299.

In conclusion, we see that a Maud Basset married one of three
successive Richard de Scrupes, of Whittington, Gloucestershire. Maud
Basset's lineal heir in 1361 was Alice Scrupes, wife of Thomas
Baskerville. If anyone has further particulars on these families, I'd
appreciate hearing from them here on the newsgroup.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt lake City, Utah

Website: http://www.royalancestry.net

Gjest

Re: Richard de Scrupes (or Crupes), son-in-law of Lord Basse

Legg inn av Gjest » 29 okt 2005 02:28:01

Friday, 28 October, 2005


Dear Douglas,

A very interesting post on an offshoot of the Bassets of Drayton.

I believe I have the answer - or at least, the only answer I see
that fits the evidence:

1. Ralph Basset of Drayton (slain 1265 at Evesham, 1st husband
of Margaret de Somery) had a sister Maud, wife of William
de Heriz (fl. 1230-1251) - she does not appear to be a good
fit to have married 2ndly to a Richard de Scrupes in the
grouping you've indicated (the earliest fl. 1257-1278 as
we have it).

2. This Ralph's son and heir Ralph (d. 31 Dec 1299) would not
be a good candidate as a father of this Maud: the line of
Basset of Drayton, descended from his son Ralph (d. 25 Feb
1342/3), ended in 1390, and the heir was found to be
the Earl of Stafford, descended from Margaret, the daughter
of Ralph (d. 1299) [1]. Had the Scrupes been descended of
a sister of Margaret, they would have been co-heirs.

Taking these facts and the chronology of the de Scrupes that is
known, it is evident that Maud (Basset) de Scrupes would have been
a daughter of Ralph Basset (k. 1265 at Evesham), as follows (the
conjectured link shown thus: _ _ _ _ ):


1) Ralph Basset = Margaret de Somery = 2) Sir Ralph
k. 1265 I d. aft 12 Jun 1293 I de Cromwell
______________I_ _ _ I____________
I I I I
Roger Ralph Maud = Sir Richard de Scrupes V
d. bef d. 1299 I fl. 1257-1278
1284 = Hawise I______________________
_______I______ I
I I I
Margaret Ralph Basset Richard de Scrupes
= Edmund d. 25 Feb 1342/3 fl. 1284-1316
de Stafford = Joan de Grey I
d. 1308 I____________ I
I _____I________ I
I I I I
Ralph de Stafford John Ralph Richard
E of Stafford b. bef 1312 b. bef d. 1336
b. 1301; d. 1372 dvp bef 1339 1312 = Isabel
I dvp ca 1335 I
V _________________I___
I I
Edmund Alice
de Scrupes de Scrupes
b. bef 1333 b. bef 1331


This placement is based (as I said) on the evidence in hand, and
the chronology as far as is known. Should anyone have additional
relevant documentation, comment or criticism, that would of course
be welcome.

Cheers,

John *




NOTES

[1] CP II:3-4, sub Basset (of Drayton). One IPM cited (CP II:3,
note (f)) indicates the heirs were the Earl of Stafford, as
noted above, and Alice Caltoft, wife of Sir William Chaworth
of Alfreton, "descended from Maud, a sister of the said
Margaret, who m. Sir William Herriz." This Maud appears to
be incorrectly placed, and was more likely the sister of
Ralph who d. at Evesham (1265), as I show above. See notes
to CP II:4 concerning the messy resolution of the heirship.

Even if this Maud were the sister of Margaret (Basset) de
Stafford, she could not have been the ancestor of the
de Scrupes of Long Whatton, as they or their Baskerville
heirs (and not Alice Caltoft) would have been coheirs of
the Basset of Drayton lands.


* John P. Ravilious

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