Sources for Knighted Ancestors

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Le Bateman

Sources for Knighted Ancestors

Legg inn av Le Bateman » 24 okt 2005 06:04:01

Is there an online list that would name English ancestors that were knighted. Is Knights of England available. I am looking for information on Henry WIATT who was supposedly made a Knight Bannerate by Henry VIII. May 1509. He supposedly took part in the Battle of the Spurs. What source would I find to confirm this?
Le

Gjest

Re: Sources for Knighted Ancestors

Legg inn av Gjest » 24 okt 2005 17:08:55

SIR HENRY WYATT (1460-1537), the father of the poet, resisted
the pretensions of Richard III to the throne, and was in consequence
arrested and imprisoned in the Tower for two years. According to his
son's statement he was racked in Richard's presence and vinegar and
mustard were forced down his throat. There is an old tradition in the
family that while in the Tower a cat brought him a pigeon every day
from
a neighbouring dovecot and thus saved him from starvation. The Earl of
Romney, who is directly descended in the female line from the Wyatts,
possesses a curious half-length portrait of Sir Henry seated in a
prison
cell with a cat drawing towards him a pigeon through the grating of a
window. Lord Romney also possesses a second picture of 'The cat that
fed Sir Henry Wyatt,' besides a small bust portrait of Sir Henry. The
pictures, illustrating the tradition of the cat (now at Lord Romney's
house, 4 upper Belgrave Street;, London), represent Sir Henry Wyatt in
advanced years, and were obviously painted on hearsay evidence very
long
after the date of the alleged events they claim to depict. The Wyatt
papers, drawn up in 1727 relate that Sir Henry on his release from the
Tower 'would ever make much of cats, as other men will of their
spaniels
or hounds.' On the accession of Henry VII Wyatt was not merely
liberated
but was admitted to the privy council, and remained high in the royal
favour. He was one of Henry VII's executors, and one of Henry VIII's
guardians. Henry VIII treated him with no less consideration than his
father had shown him. He was admitted to the privy council of the new
king in April 1509, and became a knight of the Bath on 23 July
following. In 1511 he was made jointly with Sir Thomas Boleyn [q.v.]
constable of Norwich castle (Letters and Papers of Henry VIII, i, No.
3008), and on 29 July of the same year was granted an estate called
Maidencote, at Estgarstone in Berkshire. At the battle of the Spurs he

served in the vanguard (16 Aug. 1513). He became treasurer to the
king's chamber in 1524, but resigned that office to Sir Brian Tuke on
23
April 1528. He had purchased in 1492 the castle and estate of
Allington
near Maidstone in Kent, and made the place his principal residence.
Henry VIII visited him there in 1527 to meet Wolsey on his return from
the continent. Wyatt remained friendly with Sir Thomas Boleyn (the
father of Queen Anne Boleyn), who had been his colleague at Norwich,
and
resided at Hever Castle in Kent. Sir Henry died on 10 Nov. 1537 (Inq.
post mort. 28 Hen VIII, m. 5), and, in accordance with his will, which
was proved on 21 Feb 1537-8 (Cromwell, f.7), was buried at Milton, near

Gravesend.
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Catherine Millsing (Oxford University), in Encyclopaedia Britanica

Gordon Banks

Re: Sources for Knighted Ancestors

Legg inn av Gordon Banks » 24 okt 2005 17:48:01

Knights of England is available from Genealogical Publishing Company and
at many libraries.

On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 23:03 -0500, Le Bateman wrote:
Is there an online list that would name English ancestors that were knighted. Is Knights of England available. I am looking for information on Henry WIATT who was supposedly made a Knight Bannerate by Henry VIII. May 1509. He supposedly took part in the Battle of the Spurs. What source would I find to confirm this?
Le

Vicki Perry

Re: Sources for Knighted Ancestors

Legg inn av Vicki Perry » 24 okt 2005 18:27:01

There is a great deal of genealogical research into the Wyatt family in the
papers of Robert Marsham (later Marsham-Townshend), which form part of the
Marsham-Townshend Papers at Bromley Archives.

If you go to the catalogue and put 1080/3/2/26/10/4 in the RefNo field, all
of this section relates to the Wyatt family. Robert Marsham was a son of an
Earl of Romney and traced his descent from the Wyatts. There are
genealogical tables in 1080/3/2/26/10/1. A lot of the research centres on a
Bible that Ann Boleyn was alleged to have given to a member of the Wyatt
family. Tha catalogue can be found at
http://www.library.bromley.gov.uk/archive/index.htm

Vicki

From: mjcar@btinternet.com
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Sources for Knighted Ancestors
Date: 24 Oct 2005 09:08:55 -0700

SIR HENRY WYATT (1460-1537), the father of the poet, resisted
the pretensions of Richard III to the throne, and was in consequence
arrested and imprisoned in the Tower for two years. According to his
son's statement he was racked in Richard's presence and vinegar and
mustard were forced down his throat. There is an old tradition in the
family that while in the Tower a cat brought him a pigeon every day
from
a neighbouring dovecot and thus saved him from starvation. The Earl of
Romney, who is directly descended in the female line from the Wyatts,
possesses a curious half-length portrait of Sir Henry seated in a
prison
cell with a cat drawing towards him a pigeon through the grating of a
window. Lord Romney also possesses a second picture of 'The cat that
fed Sir Henry Wyatt,' besides a small bust portrait of Sir Henry. The
pictures, illustrating the tradition of the cat (now at Lord Romney's
house, 4 upper Belgrave Street;, London), represent Sir Henry Wyatt in
advanced years, and were obviously painted on hearsay evidence very
long
after the date of the alleged events they claim to depict. The Wyatt
papers, drawn up in 1727 relate that Sir Henry on his release from the
Tower 'would ever make much of cats, as other men will of their
spaniels
or hounds.' On the accession of Henry VII Wyatt was not merely
liberated
but was admitted to the privy council, and remained high in the royal
favour. He was one of Henry VII's executors, and one of Henry VIII's
guardians. Henry VIII treated him with no less consideration than his
father had shown him. He was admitted to the privy council of the new
king in April 1509, and became a knight of the Bath on 23 July
following. In 1511 he was made jointly with Sir Thomas Boleyn [q.v.]
constable of Norwich castle (Letters and Papers of Henry VIII, i, No.
3008), and on 29 July of the same year was granted an estate called
Maidencote, at Estgarstone in Berkshire. At the battle of the Spurs he

served in the vanguard (16 Aug. 1513). He became treasurer to the
king's chamber in 1524, but resigned that office to Sir Brian Tuke on
23
April 1528. He had purchased in 1492 the castle and estate of
Allington
near Maidstone in Kent, and made the place his principal residence.
Henry VIII visited him there in 1527 to meet Wolsey on his return from
the continent. Wyatt remained friendly with Sir Thomas Boleyn (the
father of Queen Anne Boleyn), who had been his colleague at Norwich,
and
resided at Hever Castle in Kent. Sir Henry died on 10 Nov. 1537 (Inq.
post mort. 28 Hen VIII, m. 5), and, in accordance with his will, which
was proved on 21 Feb 1537-8 (Cromwell, f.7), was buried at Milton, near

Gravesend.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Catherine Millsing (Oxford University), in Encyclopaedia Britanica

Gjest

Re: Sources for Knighted Ancestors

Legg inn av Gjest » 24 okt 2005 19:10:36

Or just look in the Dictionary of National Biography (which suggests
that he was made a Knight of the Bath in 1509, rather than a banneret);
he is far from an obscure figure.

Dolly Ziegler

Re: Sources for Knighted Ancestors

Legg inn av Dolly Ziegler » 24 okt 2005 20:34:01

Thanks for this interesting information. I wondered about the
"curious...portrait" and it seems to be the one on Google Images.
Go to google, click images, search for "Henry Wyatt acatar" (without
the quote marks.) Cheers, Dolly in Maryland USA

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 mjcar@btinternet.com wrote:

SIR HENRY WYATT (1460-1537), the father of the poet, resisted the
pretensions of Richard III to the throne, and was in consequence
arrested and imprisoned in the Tower for two years. According to his
son's statement he was racked in Richard's presence and vinegar and
mustard were forced down his throat. There is an old tradition in the
family that while in the Tower a cat brought him a pigeon every day from
a neighbouring dovecot and thus saved him from starvation. The Earl of
Romney, who is directly descended in the female line from the Wyatts,
possesses a curious half-length portrait of Sir Henry seated in a prison
cell with a cat drawing towards him a pigeon through the grating of a
window. Lord Romney also possesses a second picture of 'The cat that
fed Sir Henry Wyatt,' besides a small bust portrait of Sir Henry. (snip)

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