Hello
I'm new to the list and researching the village of Bradbourne in Derbyshire
and surrounds. I am trying to put together information regarding the
BRADBOURNE/BRADBURN family and wonder if anyone can help me please, I have
accessed the ancestry.com and LDS sites but still have many large holes in
my research at the moment!
Best Wishes
Rosie
Bradbourne
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Gjest
Re: Bradbourne
rosie@bradbournehistory.co.uk wrote:
Dear Rosie,
if you're in that area you presumably know the two Bradbourne tombs in
Ashbourne- one with very badly restored noses. I have a couple of
descents from the family- here is what I have gathered, although I
haven't made a detailed study:
1.Gerard de Bradburne- 2.Richard- 3.Sir Roger,m.Philippa- 4.William-
5.Roger Bradbourne of Hough in Hulland, MP Derbs 1397, 1404, d.1406/7
m.Lucy
6.Henry 1452 m.Margaret dau Sir John Bagot of Blithfield, Staffs
7.John d.c.1488 m.Anne dau Sir Richard Vernon of Haddon, Derbs
8.Humphrey d.1520 m. Margaret dau Sir Ralph Longford of Longford, Derbs
9.John d.1523 m.Isabel dau.& coheiress Richard Cotton of Ridware,
Staffs
10.Sir Humphrey d.1581 m.Elizabeth dau Sir William Turvill of Newhall,
Leics
that's as far as I go- I think there's a pedigree in the Derbyshire
visitations published in a Victorian periodical- somebody here will no
doubt provide the exact reference if I don't dig it out. But maybe you
know all this already!
Matthew
Hello
I'm new to the list and researching the village of Bradbourne in Derbyshire
and surrounds. I am trying to put together information regarding the
BRADBOURNE/BRADBURN family and wonder if anyone can help me please, I have
accessed the ancestry.com and LDS sites but still have many large holes in
my research at the moment!
Best Wishes
Rosie
Dear Rosie,
if you're in that area you presumably know the two Bradbourne tombs in
Ashbourne- one with very badly restored noses. I have a couple of
descents from the family- here is what I have gathered, although I
haven't made a detailed study:
1.Gerard de Bradburne- 2.Richard- 3.Sir Roger,m.Philippa- 4.William-
5.Roger Bradbourne of Hough in Hulland, MP Derbs 1397, 1404, d.1406/7
m.Lucy
6.Henry 1452 m.Margaret dau Sir John Bagot of Blithfield, Staffs
7.John d.c.1488 m.Anne dau Sir Richard Vernon of Haddon, Derbs
8.Humphrey d.1520 m. Margaret dau Sir Ralph Longford of Longford, Derbs
9.John d.1523 m.Isabel dau.& coheiress Richard Cotton of Ridware,
Staffs
10.Sir Humphrey d.1581 m.Elizabeth dau Sir William Turvill of Newhall,
Leics
that's as far as I go- I think there's a pedigree in the Derbyshire
visitations published in a Victorian periodical- somebody here will no
doubt provide the exact reference if I don't dig it out. But maybe you
know all this already!
Matthew
-
Rosie Bevan
Re: Bradbourne
Dear Matthew and Rosie
Regarding generation 8, the actual identity of Margaret Longford, wife
of Humphrey Bradbourne, is daughter of Sir Nicholas Longford (d. 1463)
and presumably his only known wife, Joan Warren. The mistaken
identification comes from the 1569 Visitation pedigree, and is touched
on in part 2 of my study of the Longfords in Foundations v.1, no.5
p.349
Proof of her identity come from a 1480 indenture which was published by
J. Charles Cox in his 'Notes on the Churches of Derbyshire', v.II
p.412/413.
"The following indenture, dated 1st of April, 1480, that is seventeen
years after the foundation of the Bradborne chantry at Hulland,
contains so many particulars relative to it, that we make no excuse for
reproducing it in extenso: -
Indenture between John Bradburne of Hoghe, Co. Derby, Esq. and Ann, his
wife of the one part, and Sir Nicholas Longford, Knt., Henry Vernon,
Esq., Nicholas Montgomery, Esq., John Cokayn, Esq., Richard Knyveton,
Esq., John Fitzherbert, son and heir apparent of Rauff Fitz Herbert of
Norbury, Rauff Okeover, son and heir apparent of Philip Okeover, John
Kniveton of Underwoode, Humphrey Okeover, son and heir apparent of the
said Rauff Okeover, Robert Bradshawe of Wyndeley, Sir Henry Prynce,
parson of the Church of Norbury, and John Northampton, vicar of the
Church of Assheburne, feoffees in certain lands &c. to the use of said
John and Anne-Witnesseth that John and Anne at the desire &c. of Anne
have caused Sir Nicholas &c. to be enfeoffed of a messuage,and 8
oxgangs of land in Lytteel Bradburne and of all other lands &c. which
were some time of John de Pole of Hertynton, in the town &c. of Lytteel
Bradburne and of anr messe and 2 oxgangs of land in Lytteel Bradburne
and of certain lands in Kirk Ireton Newbigging and Boylston, Co. Derb.
and of a tenement and close in Bigging and of a messe, and a croft
there, And had surrendered to the feoffees in the King's, Courts of
Duffield and Wirksworth Copyhold estates in Kirk Ireton and Belper to
the uses after mentioned said John and Anne charge the feoffees that
conable preest be kept and had to Pay divine service in the Chapel of
our lady edified in the Manor of Hoghe in Co. Derb. abovesaid to pray
for the good estate of said John and Anne while living, and for their
souls when dead, and also for the souls of Henry Bradburne and Margery
his wife,* father and mother of said John, And also for the souls of
Sir Richard Vernon, Knt. and Dame Bennet his wife, father and mother of
Sd Anne, and for the soul of Roger Vernon, brother of said Ann to whom
she was executrix, and by whose goods part of said lands were
purchased, And for the good estate of Humphrey Bradburne, son and hr of
said John and Anne, and of Margaret, wife of said Humphrey daughter to
Sir Nicholas Longford and sister to Sir Nicholas Longford, Knt. that
now is and for their souls when dead, and for the good estate of Rauff
Okeover, son and heir apparent of Philip Oheover, and of Ann wife, of
said Rauff eldest daughter of said John Bradburne and Anne, and of
Isabell Bradburne second daughter of said John and Anne, and for her
husband as God will provide, and of John Fitzherbert son and heir
apparent of Rauff Fitzherbert of Norbury, and of Bennet his wife 3rd
daughter of said John Bradburne and Ann, and for their souls when dead,
and for the souls of all the children of said John Bradburne and Sir
Richard Vernon and for all the souls of the feoffees when dead and for
their good estate while living. And the said John Bradburn and Ann
willed that the priest should have all the profits of said lands, and
the priest was not to be otherwise attendant on the inheritor of the
Hoghe for the time being, but only in divine service, and that he be
resident as a Vicar in his vicarage in a tenement in Holland, late in
the holding of Henry Harper, and after of Tho. Key, and he was to
perform daily service according to the ordinale so that he say his mass
in said chapel at Hoghe, and to say on every week placibo dirigo et
connendacion of Reqem, and on the friday maps of Ihu and sometime of
the Cross, And daily at his mass, or (ere) he go to his lavatory after
the gospel, to say in open voice for the souls of John Bradburne and
Anne his wife founders of the mass and all Xten souls De profundis with
the Collect Incline &c. ut animas famulor' tuor' fundator'; and the
Chapel was to be repaired at the charge of the heirs of the inheritance
of Hoghe, and the prieste was to do no injury to the parish church of
Assheburne in Offerings or otherwise, And after the decease of John and
Anne the heir of the house of Hoghe and the Vicar of Assheburne
together should have the nomination of the Chaplain, but if they
disagreed the Abbot of Darley was to have the appointment and the
priest was to make an Obit at his own Cost in the church of Ashburne on
the day of the death of said John B. the said obit to be done by the
Vicar of Ashburne, the said priest and the priests and clerks of
Ashburne, &c.#"
* Margery was the daughter of Sir John Bagot of Blithefield,
Staffordshire
# Add. MSS, 6,671, f.68
Cox published a chapter on Bradbourne chuch in the same volume,
p.427-435. The complete set can be bought from Archive CD Books
relatively inexpensively for £21.28 http://www.archivecdbooks.org
Cheers
Rosie
mvernonconnolly@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Regarding generation 8, the actual identity of Margaret Longford, wife
of Humphrey Bradbourne, is daughter of Sir Nicholas Longford (d. 1463)
and presumably his only known wife, Joan Warren. The mistaken
identification comes from the 1569 Visitation pedigree, and is touched
on in part 2 of my study of the Longfords in Foundations v.1, no.5
p.349
Proof of her identity come from a 1480 indenture which was published by
J. Charles Cox in his 'Notes on the Churches of Derbyshire', v.II
p.412/413.
"The following indenture, dated 1st of April, 1480, that is seventeen
years after the foundation of the Bradborne chantry at Hulland,
contains so many particulars relative to it, that we make no excuse for
reproducing it in extenso: -
Indenture between John Bradburne of Hoghe, Co. Derby, Esq. and Ann, his
wife of the one part, and Sir Nicholas Longford, Knt., Henry Vernon,
Esq., Nicholas Montgomery, Esq., John Cokayn, Esq., Richard Knyveton,
Esq., John Fitzherbert, son and heir apparent of Rauff Fitz Herbert of
Norbury, Rauff Okeover, son and heir apparent of Philip Okeover, John
Kniveton of Underwoode, Humphrey Okeover, son and heir apparent of the
said Rauff Okeover, Robert Bradshawe of Wyndeley, Sir Henry Prynce,
parson of the Church of Norbury, and John Northampton, vicar of the
Church of Assheburne, feoffees in certain lands &c. to the use of said
John and Anne-Witnesseth that John and Anne at the desire &c. of Anne
have caused Sir Nicholas &c. to be enfeoffed of a messuage,and 8
oxgangs of land in Lytteel Bradburne and of all other lands &c. which
were some time of John de Pole of Hertynton, in the town &c. of Lytteel
Bradburne and of anr messe and 2 oxgangs of land in Lytteel Bradburne
and of certain lands in Kirk Ireton Newbigging and Boylston, Co. Derb.
and of a tenement and close in Bigging and of a messe, and a croft
there, And had surrendered to the feoffees in the King's, Courts of
Duffield and Wirksworth Copyhold estates in Kirk Ireton and Belper to
the uses after mentioned said John and Anne charge the feoffees that
conable preest be kept and had to Pay divine service in the Chapel of
our lady edified in the Manor of Hoghe in Co. Derb. abovesaid to pray
for the good estate of said John and Anne while living, and for their
souls when dead, and also for the souls of Henry Bradburne and Margery
his wife,* father and mother of said John, And also for the souls of
Sir Richard Vernon, Knt. and Dame Bennet his wife, father and mother of
Sd Anne, and for the soul of Roger Vernon, brother of said Ann to whom
she was executrix, and by whose goods part of said lands were
purchased, And for the good estate of Humphrey Bradburne, son and hr of
said John and Anne, and of Margaret, wife of said Humphrey daughter to
Sir Nicholas Longford and sister to Sir Nicholas Longford, Knt. that
now is and for their souls when dead, and for the good estate of Rauff
Okeover, son and heir apparent of Philip Oheover, and of Ann wife, of
said Rauff eldest daughter of said John Bradburne and Anne, and of
Isabell Bradburne second daughter of said John and Anne, and for her
husband as God will provide, and of John Fitzherbert son and heir
apparent of Rauff Fitzherbert of Norbury, and of Bennet his wife 3rd
daughter of said John Bradburne and Ann, and for their souls when dead,
and for the souls of all the children of said John Bradburne and Sir
Richard Vernon and for all the souls of the feoffees when dead and for
their good estate while living. And the said John Bradburn and Ann
willed that the priest should have all the profits of said lands, and
the priest was not to be otherwise attendant on the inheritor of the
Hoghe for the time being, but only in divine service, and that he be
resident as a Vicar in his vicarage in a tenement in Holland, late in
the holding of Henry Harper, and after of Tho. Key, and he was to
perform daily service according to the ordinale so that he say his mass
in said chapel at Hoghe, and to say on every week placibo dirigo et
connendacion of Reqem, and on the friday maps of Ihu and sometime of
the Cross, And daily at his mass, or (ere) he go to his lavatory after
the gospel, to say in open voice for the souls of John Bradburne and
Anne his wife founders of the mass and all Xten souls De profundis with
the Collect Incline &c. ut animas famulor' tuor' fundator'; and the
Chapel was to be repaired at the charge of the heirs of the inheritance
of Hoghe, and the prieste was to do no injury to the parish church of
Assheburne in Offerings or otherwise, And after the decease of John and
Anne the heir of the house of Hoghe and the Vicar of Assheburne
together should have the nomination of the Chaplain, but if they
disagreed the Abbot of Darley was to have the appointment and the
priest was to make an Obit at his own Cost in the church of Ashburne on
the day of the death of said John B. the said obit to be done by the
Vicar of Ashburne, the said priest and the priests and clerks of
Ashburne, &c.#"
* Margery was the daughter of Sir John Bagot of Blithefield,
Staffordshire
# Add. MSS, 6,671, f.68
Cox published a chapter on Bradbourne chuch in the same volume,
p.427-435. The complete set can be bought from Archive CD Books
relatively inexpensively for £21.28 http://www.archivecdbooks.org
Cheers
Rosie
mvernonconnolly@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
rosie@bradbournehistory.co.uk wrote:
Hello
I'm new to the list and researching the village of Bradbourne in Derbyshire
and surrounds. I am trying to put together information regarding the
BRADBOURNE/BRADBURN family and wonder if anyone can help me please, I have
accessed the ancestry.com and LDS sites but still have many large holes in
my research at the moment!
Best Wishes
Rosie
Dear Rosie,
if you're in that area you presumably know the two Bradbourne tombs in
Ashbourne- one with very badly restored noses. I have a couple of
descents from the family- here is what I have gathered, although I
haven't made a detailed study:
1.Gerard de Bradburne- 2.Richard- 3.Sir Roger,m.Philippa- 4.William-
5.Roger Bradbourne of Hough in Hulland, MP Derbs 1397, 1404, d.1406/7
m.Lucy
6.Henry 1452 m.Margaret dau Sir John Bagot of Blithfield, Staffs
7.John d.c.1488 m.Anne dau Sir Richard Vernon of Haddon, Derbs
8.Humphrey d.1520 m. Margaret dau Sir Ralph Longford of Longford, Derbs
9.John d.1523 m.Isabel dau.& coheiress Richard Cotton of Ridware,
Staffs
10.Sir Humphrey d.1581 m.Elizabeth dau Sir William Turvill of Newhall,
Leics
that's as far as I go- I think there's a pedigree in the Derbyshire
visitations published in a Victorian periodical- somebody here will no
doubt provide the exact reference if I don't dig it out. But maybe you
know all this already!
Matthew
-
Gjest
Re: Bradbourne
Rosie Bevan wrote:
Dear Rosie,
thanks very much for that important correction- and for posting the
indenture text, it contains a lot of invaluable information.
Matthew
Dear Matthew and Rosie
Regarding generation 8, the actual identity of Margaret Longford, wife
of Humphrey Bradbourne, is daughter of Sir Nicholas Longford (d. 1463)
and presumably his only known wife, Joan Warren. The mistaken
identification comes from the 1569 Visitation pedigree, and is touched
on in part 2 of my study of the Longfords in Foundations v.1, no.5
p.349
Proof of her identity come from a 1480 indenture which was published by
J. Charles Cox in his 'Notes on the Churches of Derbyshire', v.II
p.412/413.
(snip for space)
Dear Rosie,
thanks very much for that important correction- and for posting the
indenture text, it contains a lot of invaluable information.
Matthew