Correction to Genealogics

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Leo van de Pas

Correction to Genealogics

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 21 okt 2005 01:31:01

Jean Bunot pointed out to me that I had copied an error from ES III/4 tafel 700

Here is given that Robert II de Beaumont 'le Bossu', 2nd Earl of Leicester, married Amicie, daughter of Raoul de Gael and Emma FitzOsbern.

This Raoul/Ralph was also Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk. Thanks to Jean Bunot, realising this error I looked up CP IX 571-574 which covers this Ralph. In footnotes is given that Ralph and Emma had three sons :
1.William
2.Raoul/Ralph father of Amicie
3.Alan

This footnote implies that William died without children as his brother Raoul/Ralph was his heir.
By Raoul/Ralph only the daughter Amicie is mentioned. Alan, the third son, went on crusade with his father.

This footnote continues after the remark of Alan going on crusade with : The Breton estates remained vested in de male descendants of Ralph III , who at the beginning of the 15th century acquired the great baronies of Laval and Vitre by marriage with the heiress of the house of Montmorency-Laval.

Reading the whole line of this family, I presume, Ralph (I) is Ralph the Staller, 1st Earl of Norfolk, Ralph (II) is his son and Ralph III is he the father of Amicie? Which means that he had more children.

CP gives some very important clues and with those I found in ES XIV tafel 145 Jean de Montfort, Seigneur de Kergolay, changed his name to Guy XIII, Sire de Laval et de Vitre, being married to Anne, Dame de Laval (of the house of Montmorency). Sadly, this Tafel does not give enough information to link this Jean/Guy back to the family of Amicie.

All it gives is:
Raoul VII de Montfort, died circa 8 June 1406 married Isabeau de Loheac, Dame de la Roche Bernard,
parents of
Raoul VIII Sire de Montfort-La-Cane et de la Roche-Bernard, died August 1419, married Jeanne de Kergorlay,
parents of
Jean de Montfort who became Guy XIII de Laval

Would anyone know the link between the Earls of Norfolk and Raoul VII ?

With many thanks.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

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Re: Correction to Genealogics

Legg inn av Gjest » 21 okt 2005 06:20:00

From old notes, I can provide you with the following link. Jean Bunot

I
Raoul/Ralph I, seigneur de Gael et de Montfort en Bretagne, earl of
Norfolk and Suffolk (East-Anglia) (+ Crusade)
m. 1075, Emma de Hereford (FitzOsbern), 3 children :
a) Guillaume de Montfort (+ Crusade)
b) Raoul, see below
c) Alain de Montfort (+ Crusade)

II
Raoul II, seigneur de Montfort-Gael et de Brecilien
m. c. 1095, Havoise, dame de Hede et de Montauban, 2 children :
a) Guillaume, see below
d) Amicie, dame de Breteuil et de Pacy-sur-Eure, m. after 1120, Robert
II de Beaumont, dit le Bossu, earl of Leicester.

III
Guillaume I, seigneur de Montfort, de Gael et de Hede (+ 1157)
m. Amicie de Porhoet

IV
Guillaume II, seigneur de M (+ 1181)
m. Gervaise de Saie

V
Raoul IV, seigneur de M
m. Domitilde de Sille

VI
Eudon, seigneur de M
m. Petronille Paynel

VII
Raoul V, seigneur de M
m. Julienne de Tournemire

VIII
Geoffroy II, seigneur de M
m. Mahaut de Rostrenen

IX
Raoul VI, seigneur de M (+ before 1406)
m. 1316, Alienor d'Ancenis

X
Raoul VII, seigneur de M
m. 1353, Isabeau de Loheac, dame de La Roche-Bernard

XI
Raoul VIII, seigneur de M (+ 1419)
m. 1379, Jeanne de Kergolay

XII
Jean I, seigneur de Montfort, became Guy XIII, sire de Laval (+ 1414)
m. 1405, Anne, dame de Laval et de Vitre

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